Aftermath Thought: Godzilla in Genesis

[tenup]

Interesting subject. Throughout the movie it is explained that MONARCH have studied Godzilla for over half a century so my guess is that they are aware of the potential threat that Godzilla may cause to a civilization. According to Serizawa's character Godzilla is "natures balance". Godzilla was never interested in surfacing on any given populace without the MUTO's call so in its predatory mode, Godzilla becomes an unintentional threat to us.

If the events were to really happen as they did in the film, there is no doubt the general public would not be aware of this information and many who suffered from the event would not consider either monster benevolent. And of course there would be those conspiracy theorist who put their own spin on the overall situation. Through it all, I would welcome Godzilla to this screwed up reality we live in.

[Underworld54]

Maybe Godzilla is the Antichrist and Mothra comes and helps avoid the Armageddon.

[three]

Maybe Godzilla is the Antichrist and Mothra comes and helps avoid the Armageddon.

Then who's the Beast?

Godzilla would be the beast. that just makes sense.

[Vankor]

I actually do think the idea that some theological monsters from numerous mythologies might have been historical kaiju. If they are going to have Godzilla being active for thousands of years and do a lot of globe trotting, it's perfectly possible he was in the Middle East at some point and someone might have seen him. They write down the description and call it Leviathan. Another in Sumeria might have called him Tiamat. etc.

From what I remember, Tiamat was female, but good thinking. Tiamat also had more than one head, so I'm thinking a female Ghidorah is in hand...

Also I always thought the "hippopotamus or whale" translations were quite off the mark, as they barely fit the descriptions. Those were quite old and no one at the time knew of dinosaurs or other extinct creatures when the translations were made, so more than likely Behemoth and Leviathan were creatures that we still haven't discovered. Although a sauropod does fit quite nicely with Behemoth, since it describes a "tail that swings like a cedar tree", and "legs are like pillars of bronze". Elephants don't have a tail like a cedar.

I digress. Tiamat=female Ghidorah anyone?

[Underworld54]

Maybe Godzilla is the Antichrist and Mothra comes and helps avoid the Armageddon.

Then who's the Beast?

Ghidorah??? Godzilla is a false savior who tricks us into thinking he's doing good and then wipes us out.

[G2000]

Ghidorah??? Godzilla is a false savior who tricks us into thinking he's doing good and then wipes us out.

With the characterization they're going for, don't think so.

Besides, Godzilla being a Satanic figure doesn't rub me the right way.

[Underworld54]

It is theorized that behemoth is actually a hippopotamus. It was on Jeopardy the other night.

[Desghidorah]

Ghidorah??? Godzilla is a false savior who tricks us into thinking he's doing good and then wipes us out.

With the characterization they're going for, don't think so.

Besides, Godzilla being a Satanic figure doesn't rub me the right way.

It was later theologians who associated Leviathan with evil. The original description was just of a giant animal. And I more or less spun the thread as people interpreting him as Leviathan, keeping any religious reality neutral

[G2000]

It was later theologians who associated Leviathan with evil. The original description was just of a giant animal. And I more or less spun the thread as people interpreting him as Leviathan, keeping any religious reality neutral

I know that. I'm perfectly fine with Godzilla being portrayed as the Leviathan.

I was referring to Underworld54 wanting Godzilla to be the Beast from Revelations.

[KingZillla]

Great find!

[three]

It was later theologians who associated Leviathan with evil. The original description was just of a giant animal. And I more or less spun the thread as people interpreting him as Leviathan, keeping any religious reality neutral

I was referring to Underworld54 wanting Godzilla to be the Beast from Revelations.

yea, i would say Godzilla being the beast makes the most sense though. it comes from the sea, and not everything about it needs to be literal. for example, having 7 heads; it could just be 7 different depictions through history in Godzilla's appearances across the Earth. in other words, the 7 heads are 7 different culture's depictions of the same thing. over time, when Godzilla shows up, you get, well ya know, the beast.

other beasts, such as the one from "the Earth", (aka the false prophet) come off as more like the MUTO, who lead us to worship...sorry, "worship" the beast from the sea, the "king of the monsters", and for a time things are pretty good...until the inevitable destruction wrought upon our kind by Godzilla.

[G2000]

yea, i would say Godzilla being the beast makes the most sense though. it comes from the sea, and not everything about it needs to be literal. for example, having 7 heads; it could just be 7 different depictions through history in Godzilla's appearances across the Earth. in other words, the 7 heads are 7 different culture's depictions of the same thing. over time, when Godzilla shows up, you get, well ya know, the beast.

other beasts, such as the one from "the Earth", (aka the false prophet) come off as more like the MUTO, who lead us to worship...sorry, "worship" the beast from the sea, the "king of the monsters", and for a time things are pretty good...until the inevitable destruction wrought upon our kind by Godzilla.

I'm sorry, I don't see it. Yes, the Beast comes from the sea, Godzilla comes from the sea, but that's really the only solid connection I see. The rest is a rather large stretch.

Meanwhile, Godzilla and the Leviathan seem to share a great deal of physical characteristics, and the line "He is king over all who are proud" seems to indicate a "king of the monsters" much more than anything said about the Beast, who seems to indicate more of a governmental position of leadership over mankind-possibly seven heads meaning a council of seven people, or an alliance of seven nations? Oh, God, this is spiraling far beyond Godzilla at this point.

[three]

of course it's spiraling. that's how this thread was going to end up. it's the only way for it to end

it only doesn't make sense in revelations if you interpret it all literally. figuratively you can make a decent case for it. you seem to be doing that for leviathan, but not for the beast.

[G2000]

it only doesn't make sense in revelations if you interpret it all literally. figuratively you can make a decent case for it. you seem to be doing that for leviathan, but not for the beast.

I don't interpret the Bible completely literally. Hell, you really can't, as in Revelations it is made clear that many of these visions are basically metaphors (the city of Babylon being represented as a whore, for example). Even in my last post I talk about what the Beast may represent.

I gues the reason I prefer the Leviathan theory because I see more connections to be made between Godzilla and Leviathan than Godzilla and the Beast. That and it wouldn't make sense for Legendary, after presenting a heroic (if only by circumstance) Godzilla in the first film, to completely turn around and make him a villan.

That and, as I said before, the idea of Godzilla being portrayed as a Satanic figure really bothers me.

[three]

that's all fine with me. personally, i don't necessarily think you need to start out evil to do what evil needs you to do.

the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

[Karmataurus]

What's this?!!?

People talking about Revelations!?!?!

MY PEOPLE NEED ME.

Errrr....

Anyhwo, Revelations is always great. Firstly, need to clarify a few misconceptions i'm seing here.

The Beast and the Antichrist are the same thing, I've not entirely sure where the misconception that they are different came from. If you want to be really technical, 'The' Antichrist is one of many. It generally refers to any figure who is worshipped, even those doing the work of God. The particular antichrist in Revelations, the "Big Daddy" of most of the others, if you will, is given the title of the Beast.

About the whole out of the sea thing, if you want to be technical the Beast/Antichrist came from 'The Void', and entered the world through the sea, so not only is he not from the ocean he isn't even from this earth.

As someone stated earlier, the Leviathan isn't exactly implied to be evil, but it is heavily suggested. In multiple books, it is stated that a male and female were made in the Beginning, but one was killed for fear that they would reproduce and destroy the world. Sounds familiar, huh....

Anywho, later on it is suggested that three gigantic beasts, each from a different 'realm' would one day battle on earth, Behemoth the beast of Earth, Ziz the beast of Heaven and Leviathan the beast of hell.

The idea of Behemoth being a dinosaur is, in my opinion, very silly. I think it makes a lot more sense for it to be it's own type of animal. Especially the sauropod idea is ridiculous, don't you think the long neck would be the primary feature worth mentioning?

Tiamat isn't even from Abrahamic faiths, it's a pagan god that got thrown in there.

Just my two cents. In a way, It's really a shame Godzilla didn't get pale-green breath, for then he could live up to that Oppenheimer quote and also be a bringer of the end.

[three]

2000 has that whole "beast =/= antichrist" thing going on. i think he does, anyway. the devil himself is the one giving authority to the beasts in revelations.

we're the devil.

our beasts are the kaiju. this is so easy guys. the connection is like a brick to the face.

[G2000]

2000 has that whole "beast =/= antichrist" thing going on. i think he does, anyway. the devil himself is the one giving authority to the beasts in revelations.

we're the devil.

our beasts are the kaiju. this is so easy guys. the connection is like a brick to the face.

I do, in fact, believe the Beast is the Antichrist. I was speculating a while back on what the seven heads might represent, though.

Also, ha ha ha.

[three]

2000 has that whole "beast =/= antichrist" thing going on. i think he does, anyway. the devil himself is the one giving authority to the beasts in revelations.

we're the devil.

our beasts are the kaiju. this is so easy guys. the connection is like a brick to the face.

I do, in fact, believe the Beast is the Antichrist. I was speculating a while back on what the seven heads might represent, though.

Also, ha ha ha.

my bad. sorry. :/

[Vankor]

The idea of Behemoth being a dinosaur is, in my opinion, very silly. I think it makes a lot more sense for it to be it's own type of animal. Especially the sauropod idea is ridiculous, don't you think the long neck would be the primary feature worth mentioning?

Tiamat isn't even from Abrahamic faiths, it's a pagan god that got thrown in there.

There's a lot of things the Old Testament doesn't mention, but aside from NOT mentioning the long neck, a sauropod fits much better from the description than "an elephant or hippopotamus" as many translations put in their footnotes. Or maybe you never read them?

With regards to Tiamat, someone just mentioned him in passing about other beliefs across the world explaining giant monsters, I don't believe they were trying to put it in an Old Testament framework.

Regardless, a lot of shoehorning would be involved to make the Japanese Kaiju fit into Revelations or most ancient culture texts, and I believe a vague reference to Leviathan or Behemoth would appropriate at the most.