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G2000 wrote:

Olzh26 wrote:lately I’m very worried about the possibility that the titans appeared in the Archean and are relatives. a line from the short story hints at this. legendary, hear our prayers and do not make it canon.

What short story?

In any case it doesn’t particularly bother me all that much, Godzilla and the other Titans are enough of an impossible biological aberration as is that their having somehow managed to evolved during the Archean Eon makes just as much sense as anything, and even if it were made canon I can’t see it affecting the actual plot that much

It makes less sense than anything, though. If Mothra is confirmed to belong to the order Lepidoptera, then she does not come from the Archean. If Behemoth is a relative of ground sloths, then he's not from the Archean. If Godzilla resembles archosaurs, then he's not from the Archean. Repeat this for all of them, including Rodan and Scylla. The Archean Eon concept is not scientific at all, but rather foolish.

I'd prefer if there's some level of believability to it all, rather than weird pseudo-scientific randomness that doesn't really require much thought and isn't backed up by any level of research. Otherwise, immersion is lost. This isn't Ultraman, or some silly Showa era Godzilla film. The MonsterVerse started with a certain level of science-based information to Godzilla, and that is how they must play it for consistency and continuity.

After much thought and conclusion I pretty much decided what Godzilla's species is.

An descendant of an proto-amniote amphibian from the Carboniferous period (Especially given his gills) with convergent evolution (Crocodilian armor-like skin).

I mostly decided with this one due to possessing gills which amphibians (Or at least some adults) have.

Credit for this idea goes to Desghidorah.

MegaEvilSaurus666 wrote:

G2000 wrote:

Olzh26 wrote:lately I’m very worried about the possibility that the titans appeared in the Archean and are relatives. a line from the short story hints at this. legendary, hear our prayers and do not make it canon.

What short story?

In any case it doesn’t particularly bother me all that much, Godzilla and the other Titans are enough of an impossible biological aberration as is that their having somehow managed to evolved during the Archean Eon makes just as much sense as anything, and even if it were made canon I can’t see it affecting the actual plot that much

It makes less sense than anything, though. If Mothra is confirmed to belong to the order Lepidoptera, then she does not come from the Archean. If Behemoth is a relative of ground sloths, then he's not from the Archean. If Godzilla resembles archosaurs, then he's not from the Archean. Repeat this for all of them, including Rodan and Scylla. The Archean Eon concept is not scientific at all, but rather foolish.

I'd prefer if there's some level of believability to it all, rather than weird pseudo-scientific randomness that doesn't really require much thought and isn't backed up by any level of research. Otherwise, immersion is lost. This isn't Ultraman, or some silly Showa era Godzilla film. The MonsterVerse started with a certain level of science-based information to Godzilla, and that is how they must play it for consistency and continuity.

where was it confirmed that Behemoth is a relative of ground sloths?

Olzh26 wrote:

MegaEvilSaurus666 wrote:

G2000 wrote:
What short story?

In any case it doesn’t particularly bother me all that much, Godzilla and the other Titans are enough of an impossible biological aberration as is that their having somehow managed to evolved during the Archean Eon makes just as much sense as anything, and even if it were made canon I can’t see it affecting the actual plot that much

It makes less sense than anything, though. If Mothra is confirmed to belong to the order Lepidoptera, then she does not come from the Archean. If Behemoth is a relative of ground sloths, then he's not from the Archean. If Godzilla resembles archosaurs, then he's not from the Archean. Repeat this for all of them, including Rodan and Scylla. The Archean Eon concept is not scientific at all, but rather foolish.

I'd prefer if there's some level of believability to it all, rather than weird pseudo-scientific randomness that doesn't really require much thought and isn't backed up by any level of research. Otherwise, immersion is lost. This isn't Ultraman, or some silly Showa era Godzilla film. The MonsterVerse started with a certain level of science-based information to Godzilla, and that is how they must play it for consistency and continuity.

where was it confirmed that Behemoth is a relative of ground sloths?

The novelization says that he resembles ground sloths more than mammoths, and many have ran with that. Honestly, I'm not sure on that idea. It reminds me more of a massive Chalicotherium, with a tapir's proboscis. Either way, none of these giant mammals come from the Archean Eon.

It’s not a proboscis, it just looks like a mini trunk, that’s actually his snout, kinda like a moose.

He can also go bipedal when he needs to, which is a giant sloth thing

Given Behemoth's popularity. May I insist making an "What is Behemoth? His species?" thread and move the discussion over there?

Please no, it’s really not needed

GodzillaFan1990's wrote:Given Behemoth's popularity. May I insist making an "What is Behemoth? His species?" thread and move the discussion over there?

I already created a topic about the classification of all monsters from MonsterVerse, you can write about behemoth there, but this makes no sense since it is already known what species of behemoth is

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MegaEvilSaurus666 wrote:

Olzh26 wrote:

MegaEvilSaurus666 wrote: It makes less sense than anything, though. If Mothra is confirmed to belong to the order Lepidoptera, then she does not come from the Archean. If Behemoth is a relative of ground sloths, then he's not from the Archean. If Godzilla resembles archosaurs, then he's not from the Archean. Repeat this for all of them, including Rodan and Scylla. The Archean Eon concept is not scientific at all, but rather foolish.

I'd prefer if there's some level of believability to it all, rather than weird pseudo-scientific randomness that doesn't really require much thought and isn't backed up by any level of research. Otherwise, immersion is lost. This isn't Ultraman, or some silly Showa era Godzilla film. The MonsterVerse started with a certain level of science-based information to Godzilla, and that is how they must play it for consistency and continuity.

where was it confirmed that Behemoth is a relative of ground sloths?

The novelization says that he resembles ground sloths more than mammoths, and many have ran with that. Honestly, I'm not sure on that idea. It reminds me more of a massive Chalicotherium, with a tapir's proboscis. Either way, none of these giant mammals come from the Archean Eon.

I probably ask too much, but could you quote a line from the novel where this is said?

in one interview, Dougherty confirmed that Scylla is a cephalopod and the Behemoth appeared in the ice age. The theory of the Titans from Archean is beginning to make less and less sense. Great!

Olzh26 wrote:iBehemoth appeared in the ice age

That can't be a coincidence

GuardianGhido wrote:

Olzh26 wrote:iBehemoth appeared in the ice age

That can't be a coincidence

Well, the animals that Behemoth/Mapinguary is based upon are both from the Pleistocene, or the ice age.

Olzh26 wrote:I probably ask too much, but could you quote a line from the novel where this is said?

I think this is it.

His tusks and thick hair made him look superficially like a mammoth, but he really was built more like a giant ground sloth; his forelimbs were longer than the back, and he rested on the knuckles of hands or paws with thick, sharp claws.

I had to find my copy of the novelization. By the way, off topic, but I the only one who doesn't like the very casual language used in the thing? I can't take the writing seriously.

Olzh26 wrote:Behemoth appeared in the ice age.

Well yeah like that was obvious anyways given Behemoth's design and based off mammoth and ground sloth.

MegaEvilSaurus666 wrote:

GuardianGhido wrote:

Olzh26 wrote:iBehemoth appeared in the ice age

That can't be a coincidence

Well, the animals that Behemoth/Mapinguary is based upon are both from the Pleistocene, or the ice age.

Olzh26 wrote:I probably ask too much, but could you quote a line from the novel where this is said?

I think this is it.

His tusks and thick hair made him look superficially like a mammoth, but he really was built more like a giant ground sloth; his forelimbs were longer than the back, and he rested on the knuckles of hands or paws with thick, sharp claws.

I had to find my copy of the novelization. By the way, off topic, but I the only one who doesn't like the very casual language used in the thing? I can't take the writing seriously.

I think here was meant only the external resemblance. not the fact that Behemoth is a sloth

Actually I was referring to the fact that the Ice Age has something to do with a particularly popular duo of a Mammoth and Sloth too. If Behemoth had Smilodon features too it would just be a blatant reference.

But the actual logical aspects of him to be from the Ice Age makes sense too.

GuardianGhido wrote:Actually I was referring to the fact that the Ice Age has something to do with a particularly popular duo of a Mammoth and Sloth too. If Behemoth had Smilodon features too it would just be a blatant reference.

But the actual logical aspects of him to be from the Ice Age makes sense too.

Behemoth having characteristics of a mammoth and a sloth does not in any way constitute a reference to the Ice Age movies

Behemoth is a reference to the mindset of America right now and our stance on foreign politics

G2000 wrote:

GuardianGhido wrote:Actually I was referring to the fact that the Ice Age has something to do with a particularly popular duo of a Mammoth and Sloth too. If Behemoth had Smilodon features too it would just be a blatant reference.

But the actual logical aspects of him to be from the Ice Age makes sense too.

Behemoth having characteristics of a mammoth and a sloth does not in any way constitute a reference to the Ice Age movies

No but if he had Mammoth, Sloth and Sabretooth Tiger characteristics and was said to come from the Ice Age, it would seem like be a funny nod to them if nothing else.

were there any hints in MonsterVerse at that Godzilla is a reptile?