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Re: Godzilla: The Look

Postby Crocodile » Sun Apr 22, 2012 3:44 pm

bearijuana wrote:
Crocodile wrote:But he IS just a giant dinosaur, who spits fire.

You should meet Roland Emmerich, I think you two would get along just fine! ;)


No that was a lizard, Godzilla is a dinosaur.

They're two very different type of animal, that happen to both belong to the greater reptile family.
I honestly don't know how you could describe him as anything MORE than that.
Same way Gamera is a turtle, that flies and spits fire.

Or are you gonna hit me with that "He has a personality!" crap.
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Re: Godzilla: The Look

Postby kaiju_wars » Sun Apr 22, 2012 3:50 pm

Crocodile wrote:
bearijuana wrote:
Crocodile wrote:But he IS just a giant dinosaur, who spits fire.

You should meet Roland Emmerich, I think you two would get along just fine! ;)


No that was a lizard, Godzilla is a dinosaur.

They're two very different type of animal, that happen to both belong to the greater reptile family.
I honestly don't know how you could describe him as anything MORE than that.
Same way Gamera is a turtle, that flies and spits fire.

Or are you gonna hit me with that "He has a personality!" crap.


But Godzilla does. :(

Please don't ruin my childhood.


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Re: Godzilla: The Look

Postby Crocodile » Sun Apr 22, 2012 3:53 pm

kaiju_wars wrote:But Godzilla does. :(

Please don't ruin my childhood.


:P


Not in any movie I've ever seen, with the possible exception of All Monsters Attack.

Aside from that, he's usually portrayed as reasonably intelligent, but for the most part a blank slate. The beauty of it all is, the audience imposes whatever persona they want on to him.

He's what you want him to be, but he himself is rather undefined.
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Re: Godzilla: The Look

Postby bearijuana » Sun Apr 22, 2012 4:52 pm

Crocodile wrote:
kaiju_wars wrote:But Godzilla does. :(

Please don't ruin my childhood.


:P


Not in any movie I've ever seen, with the possible exception of All Monsters Attack.

Aside from that, he's usually portrayed as reasonably intelligent, but for the most part a blank slate. The beauty of it all is, the audience imposes whatever persona they want on to him.

He's what you want him to be, but he himself is rather undefined.

He was pretty pissy in GMK. :lol:
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Re: Godzilla: The Look

Postby UltramanGoji » Sun Apr 22, 2012 4:54 pm

bearijuana wrote:
Crocodile wrote:
kaiju_wars wrote:But Godzilla does. :(

Please don't ruin my childhood.


:P


Not in any movie I've ever seen, with the possible exception of All Monsters Attack.

Aside from that, he's usually portrayed as reasonably intelligent, but for the most part a blank slate. The beauty of it all is, the audience imposes whatever persona they want on to him.

He's what you want him to be, but he himself is rather undefined.

He was pretty pissy in GMK. :lol:


Well, what if you woke up one day and you were possessed by the souls of WWII soldiers? I think you'd be pretty pissed too.
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Re: Godzilla: The Look

Postby Jomei » Mon Apr 23, 2012 4:56 pm

Showa Godzilla totally has personality in most of his films. What movies were you guys watching? Characters can be developed by much more than just dialogue, you know. How can you say the Godzilla in Son of Godzilla has no character? He takes specific actions that display his motivations and temperament. All you have to do is compare that Godzilla to the one in King Kong vs Godzilla to see that his different incarnations have personality. Hell, in Ghidorah the Three Headed Monster, you even see Godzilla act according to his aggressive, territorial instincts but then change his mind because he's inspired by Mothra's bravery.

No personality?! Come on, guys.
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Re: Godzilla: The Look

Postby Living Corpse » Mon Apr 23, 2012 5:00 pm

Jomei wrote:Showa Godzilla totally has personality in most of his films. What movies were you guys watching? Characters can be developed by much more than just dialogue, you know. How can you say the Godzilla in Son of Godzilla has no character? He takes specific actions that display his motivations and temperament. All you have to do is compare that Godzilla to the one in King Kong vs Godzilla to see that his different incarnations have personality. Hell, in Ghidorah the Three Headed Monster, you even see Godzilla act according to his aggressive, territorial instincts but then change his mind because he's inspired by Mothra's bravery.

No personality?! Come on, guys.


This. A good actor can deliver good lines, an amazing actor can say a lot through just body language alone which the suit actors pretty much had to do since the monsters can't talk with the exception of the Twins talking for Mothra (and the weird shit in Gigan and the computer inside Kiryu in Tokyo S.O.S.)
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Re: Godzilla: The Look

Postby Jomei » Mon Apr 23, 2012 5:03 pm

Here's some cool art I saw. Not sure if it's what I'd want for the film, but it's a cool re-design. Apologies if it's a re-post.

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Re: Godzilla: The Look

Postby bearijuana » Mon Apr 23, 2012 5:29 pm

Jomei wrote:Showa Godzilla totally has personality in most of his films. What movies were you guys watching? Characters can be developed by much more than just dialogue, you know. How can you say the Godzilla in Son of Godzilla has no character? He takes specific actions that display his motivations and temperament. All you have to do is compare that Godzilla to the one in King Kong vs Godzilla to see that his different incarnations have personality. Hell, in Ghidorah the Three Headed Monster, you even see Godzilla act according to his aggressive, territorial instincts but then change his mind because he's inspired by Mothra's bravery.

No personality?! Come on, guys.

I agree with this wholeheartedly, saying he has no personality is a step in the right direction to becoming the next Roland Emmerich. And I love that design you posted, I have never seen that before.
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Re: Godzilla: The Look

Postby SuperSaiyan4Godzilla » Mon Apr 23, 2012 5:43 pm

I feel as though you guys are taking "no personality, but we project one on him" at face value.
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Re: Godzilla: The Look

Postby HayesAJones » Mon Apr 23, 2012 5:46 pm

I don't think you could write an essay on monster personalities or anything, but there are definitely hints of them there.
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Re: Godzilla: The Look

Postby Living Corpse » Mon Apr 23, 2012 6:13 pm

Well monsters can't talk so the suit actors have to emote through body language to give us an impression of personality. Animaltronics like GMK's facial expressions help too.
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Re: Godzilla: The Look

Postby Jomei » Mon Apr 23, 2012 7:08 pm

SuperSaiyan4Godzilla wrote:I feel as though you guys are taking "no personality, but we project one on him" at face value.


I generally assume people mean what they say in the absence of information suggesting otherwise, yes.

I disagree with the idea that the Showa Godzilla (in most of the films) is anything like a "blank slate." He clearly exhibits personality traits. It's not projecting to see the fatherly personality of MusukoGoji or the cocky, territorial nature of KinGoji.

Now, you could say that for the film maker Godzilla presents somewhat of a clean slate. A lot of different things can be done with him. But it's certainly not the audience projecting personality on him.
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Re: Godzilla: The Look

Postby Crocodile » Mon Apr 23, 2012 8:08 pm

It's not projecting to see the fatherly personality of MusukoGoji


No, even that is largely interpretive.

Godzilla displays paternal instincts to a degree, but he seems to be a lousy father.
He saves Minya twice sure enough, but in all other duties he's lax and lazy. Making him something of a Male African lion, with no females. Even then, he is generically protective. Even neglecting feeding Minya, to the degree a newborn must do it himself. This doesn't present Goji or Minya as very personified, but inversely makes them more animalistic, (Though admittedly, Minya has more personality than his father, in that it's a goofy little plaything) Godzilla acts like an animal protecting it's young, rather than any significant source of fatherly guidance. In fact, to the contrary rather than fatherly the movies climax makes him seem kinda neglectful. Minya is only captured by Kumonga as Godzilla was sleepy. Nothing says fatherly love, like letting your kid run around without supervision. (Also he knew one of the Kamacurus Mantises was still on the island somewhere, so even understanable ignorance of Kumonga can't get Goji out of this one. Unless being stupid is also part of his personality) Right down to teaching Minya how to do one thing, defend himself. Since, Godzilla doesn't actually seem to eat in the Showa series let's think of this as a stand in for hunting. Though while on that note, hell Minya even has to be fed by, either himself or the native chick, whom I forget the name of. It's not very fatherly of not to feed his kid. It's just animal behavior, and just like watching lions on the Animal Planet we personify them to be more like us.

I could write a rebuttal for KinGoji too, as he is also largely interpretive, but I'm honestly quite lazy and burn out from term papers
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Re: Godzilla: The Look

Postby Jomei » Mon Apr 23, 2012 8:26 pm

The fact that you say, "he's a lousy father" shows that you already understand that he has personality. If anything MusukoGoji might be said to be something like the archetypal Japanese father--a strict authoritarian and stern, sometimes impatient teacher, at times absent, but ultimately loving and ready to step up on his son's behalf. He displays emotions, motivations, strengths, and flaws. This is personality.

You can have an opinion about the quality of Godzilla's fathering or the content of his character, but it's there.

Take MegaroGoji for another example. His relation to humanity is not up for much debate or interpretation. The events in the film clearly show that he is humanity's friend who will step up to defend them--even to his own peril--if they ask. He also has a much more lively personality than MosuGoji, for example, and seems to take great enjoyment in defeating his enemies.

Yeah, you can have some opinions, but an opinion is only worth as much as it can be supported by facts from the film. You can't say MegaroGoji is an evil monster bent on avenging the crimes of the Pacific War like you can with GMK Goji.
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Re: Godzilla: The Look

Postby bearijuana » Mon Apr 23, 2012 8:40 pm

Crocodile wrote:
It's not projecting to see the fatherly personality of MusukoGoji


No, even that is largely interpretive.

Godzilla displays paternal instincts to a degree, but he seems to be a lousy father.
He saves Minya twice sure enough, but in all other duties he's lax and lazy. Making him something of a Male African lion, with no females. Even then, he is generically protective. Even neglecting feeding Minya, to the degree a newborn must do it himself. This doesn't present Goji or Minya as very personified, but inversely makes them more animalistic, (Though admittedly, Minya has more personality than his father, in that it's a goofy little plaything) Godzilla acts like an animal protecting it's young, rather than any significant source of fatherly guidance. In fact, to the contrary rather than fatherly the movies climax makes him seem kinda neglectful. Minya is only captured by Kumonga as Godzilla was sleepy. Nothing says fatherly love, like letting your kid run around without supervision. (Also he knew one of the Kamacurus Mantises was still on the island somewhere, so even understanable ignorance of Kumonga can't get Goji out of this one. Unless being stupid is also part of his personality) Right down to teaching Minya how to do one thing, defend himself. Since, Godzilla doesn't actually seem to eat in the Showa series let's think of this as a stand in for hunting. Though while on that note, hell Minya even has to be fed by, either himself or the native chick, whom I forget the name of. It's not very fatherly of not to feed his kid. It's just animal behavior, and just like watching lions on the Animal Planet we personify them to be more like us.

I could write a rebuttal for KinGoji too, as he is also largely interpretive, but I'm honestly quite lazy and burn out from term papers

You are now projecting a personality on him yourself. Maybe doing what he is doing is being a good father in the godzilla world. Maybe he feeds Minya all the time, but it's never shown on screen because they decided to pick his most conflictual days as a parent to be depicted. It would have been an even crappier movie had it had gone this way, normal day for Godzy + feeds Minya+ no other monsters are there to harm him =day in the life Godzilla movie which equals crap. Maybe Godzillas let their babies learn to hunt on their own at an early age, and Minya just sucks at it because let's face it he got the poop in the gene pool. Minya is one big ol' baby cluster skreeonk of shitty genes. Uh-oh now I'm projecting too. Anyway I'm actually starting to see your side that we project personality on Godzilla. But I think there's a middle ground, there are plenty of times where he has a clear personality and yet a few others that I have to agree can be a bit undefineable.
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Re: Godzilla: The Look

Postby CatfaceFourtoes » Tue Apr 24, 2012 12:11 pm

No that was a lizard, Godzilla is a dinosaur.

They're two very different type of animal, that happen to both belong to the greater reptile family.
I honestly don't know how you could describe him as anything MORE than that.
Same way Gamera is a turtle, that flies and spits fire.

Or are you gonna hit me with that "He has a personality!" crap.[/quote]

I find that Zilla is more like a dinosaur than a lizard due its mutation. It shares the same characteristics of the dinosaurs from Jurassic Park. It walks on two digitigrade legs with its back mostly horizontal like a predatory theropod dinosaur, and would have three toes on each foot like one if not for the hanging dewclaw on the outside of the feet as opposed to the inside which was to suggest its origin as a lizard. If you use Crash Mcreery's illustration of Godzilla then in a sense neither monster is really a dinosaur but are kind of chimeras built around dinosaur characteristics in popular culture at the time. By the way, I think Crash's illo of Godzilla does a good job of making Godzilla look like a Ray Harryhausen type dinosaur. I haven't seen one like that in the movies of late and it would be a nice change of pace.

Other than that, I think using Stan Winston's version would be a nice tribute to the late great creature designer and show the world that an American film company can do for Godzilla what Weta did for King Kong, minus the small stature and messed up jaw of course.
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Re: Godzilla: The Look

Postby Ethan » Tue Apr 24, 2012 12:19 pm

I've talked with many non-fan viewers, and we have all concluded Godzilla is some sort of anthropomorphic crocodile. It would make sense then, to go with the "acuatic reptile gone terrestrial" route, rather than a giant theropod dinosaur. That famous model used in Godzilla was coincidentally dubbed the Alligator Godzilla:
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Re: Godzilla: The Look

Postby CatfaceFourtoes » Tue Apr 24, 2012 1:44 pm

Wow. That is a cool model. The legs are short enough to make it seem inhuman and at the same time what you would get if an aligator's hind limbs were big enough to support it standing upright.
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Re: Godzilla: The Look

Postby shinmattiathekaiju » Wed Apr 25, 2012 1:38 pm

Ethan wrote:I've talked with many non-fan viewers, and we have all concluded Godzilla is some sort of anthropomorphic crocodile. It would make sense then, to go with the "acuatic reptile gone terrestrial" route, rather than a giant theropod dinosaur. That famous model used in Godzilla was coincidentally dubbed the Alligator Godzilla:
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