Should Godzilla have a sympathetic side?
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Should Godzilla have a sympathetic side?
We always have these bits where we're supposed to feel sorry for the monster at the end.
Like, in the original 1954, where Dr. Serizawa sees him as an animal just basking and doing his own thing. Then you've got films like Son & Destroyah where it ends with him freezing.. Even Tristar attempted this with the people watching the monster die in the rain.
Do you think this should have a moment like that?
Where the people realize it's not an evil monster, but an animal that just wants to be left alone..
Like, in the original 1954, where Dr. Serizawa sees him as an animal just basking and doing his own thing. Then you've got films like Son & Destroyah where it ends with him freezing.. Even Tristar attempted this with the people watching the monster die in the rain.
Do you think this should have a moment like that?
Where the people realize it's not an evil monster, but an animal that just wants to be left alone..
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Re: Should Godzilla have a sympathetic side?
As long as it's implemented well and doesn't make him look like some kind of sad pathetic woobie or righteous defender of mankind, then sure.
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Re: Should Godzilla have a sympathetic side?
Cute icon, dust_pan.. I love Princess Mononoke. =3Dust_pan wrote:As long as it's implemented well and doesn't make him look like some kind of sad pathetic woobie or righteous defender of mankind, then sure.
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Re: Should Godzilla have a sympathetic side?
Interesting discussion Sav. I also noticed that Serizawa and the other older scientist the father of emiko I think, also viewed Godzilla as more then a killing machine but a beast outside his own known world. I would like to see it done in a similar fashion but nothing like Son of Godzilla. In GODZILLA, I think Nick was the only one who actually knew that Godzilla was trying to live it's life in a strange world and everyone else saw him as a monster killer.
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Re: Should Godzilla have a sympathetic side?
Um... thanks! Princess Mononoke is very much awesome.Sav wrote:Cute icon, dust_pan.. I love Princess Mononoke. =3Dust_pan wrote:As long as it's implemented well and doesn't make him look like some kind of sad pathetic woobie or righteous defender of mankind, then sure.
Slightly back on topic, I thought Godzilla's sympathetic side was portrayed very well in Son of Godzilla. He didn't seem to care much for humans, and he was kind of a jerk to Minya at times, but he still showed he had a heart for his own kind. And it wasn't too mushy or overdone. It was in my opinion one of his best sympathetic portrayals in the whole series. But of course, I doubt anyone would like to see that play out again in Godzilla's very first LP film.
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Re: Should Godzilla have a sympathetic side?
Dr. Serizawa was more concern in getting rid of Godzilla and himself, I doubt he felt sorry for Godzilla as he was more worried about taking his own secret to the grave. While of course, hoping that Emiko had a much better life without him.Sav wrote:We always have these bits where we're supposed to feel sorry for the monster at the end.
Like, in the original 1954, where Dr. Serizawa sees him as an animal just basking and doing his own thing. Then you've got films like Son & Destroyah where it ends with him freezing.. Even Tristar attempted this with the people watching the monster die in the rain.
Do you think this should have a moment like that?
Where the people realize it's not an evil monster, but an animal that just wants to be left alone..
Dr. Yamane on the other, held the view that Godzilla was something more than just a mere animal, or a walking time bomb of destruction. Son of Godzilla, well, that's actually a tender warm moment between Father and Son. Not the best example to use since we're rooting for the two from the beginning anyway ^_^. In Destoroyah, we sympathize with Godzilla upon several levels:
1. The monstrous power of mankind's ignorance, the same power that had turned him to a monstrous being of raw potential. Is the very same cursed power that is ironically yet sadly killing him.
2. Godzilla is melting down, but he's still trying to avenge the lost of his only family. To which in a way, was robbed from him since he wasn't the one to kill off Destoroyah. So we sympathize with Godzilla as a dying parent trying to avenge the lost of his only child, who sadly still fails in the end.
Should there be a moment like this? It depends upon how Godzilla is handled and the plot revolved around him. No one wants to see Godzilla as just an animal who wants to be left
alone. Obviously he'll keep coming back for multiple reasons so its not completely possible to go that route. If he were a normal dinosaur like in Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah then you could argue that it could work. Then again, in Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah, Godzilla wasn't seen in such a light. Since he was probably, most likely just defending his territory and checked things out due to the activity of the war that was going.
Overall...I'd say...Go with a sympathetic nod, but only if its executed properly and calls for it within the right moment.
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Re: Should Godzilla have a sympathetic side?
I'd love a Dr. Yamane-esqu figure who refuses to allow Godzilla do be killed, believing him to be a goldmine of knowlege. I wouldn't mind a scene that makes you feel bad for the monster.
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Re: Should Godzilla have a sympathetic side?
The movie should have a scene near the end where Godzilla is seen resting at the bottom of the ocean, along with powerful music to set the tone just like in Gojira. Every sea animal/organism stays far away from him, and we see that Godzilla is truly alone and is far past his time. He still needs to be a raging beast of destruction and death, but make him like 2k Godzilla was at the very end of Godzilla 2000 where we see that Godzilla has more than one side to him.
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You know except this time HOPEFULLY, Godzilla will survive at the end.
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Re: Should Godzilla have a sympathetic side?
If they do a trilogy, kill him off in the 3rd film.
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Re: Should Godzilla have a sympathetic side?
Varan Bon Ziller wrote:Well Akira Takarada wept for Godzilla's death in the original film...
I got impression that he was weeping over the loss of Serizawa and the fact that he sacrificed himself, rather than the death of Godzilla.
Re: Should Godzilla have a sympathetic side?
Agreed.Dust_pan wrote:As long as it's implemented well and doesn't make him look like some kind of sad pathetic woobie or righteous defender of mankind, then sure.
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I JUST CRAPPED MY PANTS. IF DOCTOR YAMANE MAKES A COMEBACK THIS FILM WILL BE EPIC
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Re: Should Godzilla have a sympathetic side?
I'm getting a feeling Ken Watanabe will play as him, just getting a hunch.Beef Bigshot wrote:I JUST CRAPPED MY PANTS. IF DOCTOR YAMANE MAKES A COMEBACK THIS FILM WILL BE EPIC
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Re: Should Godzilla have a sympathetic side?
Only in a film like Son of Godzilla otherwise no, not that I'd like to see anyways.
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Re: Should Godzilla have a sympathetic side?
Keep in mind in more than most of the films rather he is hero or villian they seem to always get a feeling inside of them that he's a hero. Now, in the films where he is a villian, ofcourse they have alot of the people want him died and gone but they have a few people at the same time that just want to send him home because in their minds they feel sorry for him and his speices and just want him to back home without to much damage done. Where he doesn't bother them and they don't bother him. In the films where he's a hero ofcourse they see him as their protector. He wants them and him safe at the same time.
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Re: Should Godzilla have a sympathetic side?
As far a sympathy goes, I thought a great sympathetic scene was in Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah ('91) where he finds the former Japanese army officer in his path of destruction. Godzilla recognizes him, even feels sad about it apparently, but still has to destroy. Am I the only one who thinks Godzilla cries in that scene?
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lizerds dont crySimeonAssassin wrote:As far a sympathy goes, I thought a great sympathetic scene was in Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah ('91) where he finds the former Japanese army officer in his path of destruction. Godzilla recognizes him, even feels sad about it apparently, but still has to destroy. Am I the only one who thinks Godzilla cries in that scene?
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Re: Should Godzilla have a sympathetic side?
But he is they said he's a cross between a T-Rex\Stegosaurus in the G1954 and so, in a way dinosaurus are kind of related to that speices. Plus in several of the films they refer him as, that. It's in the dialog in a lot of the films. Such as in GMK "You god damn lizard." quote can be heard in the movie.Varan Bon Ziller wrote:Godzilla isn't a lizerd though...Sav wrote:lizerds dont crySimeonAssassin wrote:As far a sympathy goes, I thought a great sympathetic scene was in Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah ('91) where he finds the former Japanese army officer in his path of destruction. Godzilla recognizes him, even feels sad about it apparently, but still has to destroy. Am I the only one who thinks Godzilla cries in that scene?
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