Comic-Con 2012 Discussion

[goji1986]

EDIT: And I just thought of this...Was Jean Reno cast simply because he is marketable in Japan? I have no reason to really think this, but he did star in an Onimusha game so it leads me to think he has some cache in the Japanese audience, perhaps due to The Professional...just like here. I mean, did his character actually, logically need to be in the film? He never really did anything and it's not like he provided anything to the plot other than being a generic soldier type who sides with the heroes. He's just a heavy for the protagonists to fall back on, so really that role could've been anybody...So much to think about now

Personally I found Jean Reno to be the best character of the film. Maybe I'm biased because I'm part French myself and I found the humorous bits of him funny.

Ironically this was just on Showtime a few days ago and I caught the end chase. This reminded me of another flaw in the movie's logic (of which there are many): How can GINO - a creature that has been shown to be super fast (fast enough to outrun APACHE HELICOPTERS) - be too slow to catch a measly taxi? I mean I understand that the main characters are in it and thus they cannot die, but still.

[Gojira1963]

Am I the only one on this form that liked the GINO movie? Sure the creature isn't Godzilla but I loved the design anyway and the movie was pretty fun in my opinion.

Frankly, if I detach myself from it altogether, then...well, it's an okay piece of treacle. It's not that I dislike the film for not being the Godzilla film I dreamed of or anything, my problem with it is that it's just not a very good film. I accept that it is what it is, but it has some serious flaws on a fundamental level of storytelling. The first one that came to my mind just now: The fact that the way they finally defeat the giant monster is to shoot it with a few missiles. On a storytelling level, let me present an analogy; would it be fundamentally "broken" to have a kung-fu film where the main character/antagonist spent the film dodging bullets then have him die by taking a few slugs in the gut? I should think so, if for no other reason than the dramatic tension built by him using his innate powers to defy conventional death is completely annihilated by resolving it with a death due to what he's been built up to deny. Broken, by most storytelling standards, unless you're going for dramatic irony and trust me, I'd love to read the analysis that paints this as a legitimate portrait of said dramatic irony.
I'm not saying nobody could spin it that way, but I would love to read it.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, if GINO is a enjoyable on a guilty pleasure level (and I acknowledge that many G films are exactly that), then fair enough. I agree. But a good film...? That's a tough one...

EDIT: And I just thought of this...Was Jean Reno cast simply because he is marketable in Japan? I have no reason to really think this, but he did star in an Onimusha game so it leads me to think he has some cache in the Japanese audience, perhaps due to The Professional...just like here. I mean, did his character actually, logically need to be in the film? He never really did anything and it's not like he provided anything to the plot other than being a generic soldier type who sides with the heroes. He's just a heavy for the protagonists to fall back on, so really that role could've been anybody...So much to think about now

Our tastes in movies are always subjective. If I like a film then it is "good for me" and I am the only one that can make that decision for myself. I cannot make it for others. So if you don't think a movie is 'good" then for you that is your viewpoint and there is nothing wrong with it.

For me Godzilla movies are fun and entertaining, even the serious ones. I think there are flaws in story telling and logic for all the Godzilla movies. So for me GINO is no worse an offender than any other Godzilla movie in my opinion. There are even some Toho Godzilla movies that I do not like.


I do have a hard time seeing the American Godzilla movie as a Giodzilla movie, instead I tend to view it as just another giant monster movie and on that level I do like it. I agree it has flaws. For me the ending is a bit of an anti-climax because they seem to kill him rather easily after struggling so hard to kill him for so much of the movie. I also don't care too much for the time spent in Madison Square Gardens with the baby Zilla's because the pace of the movie seems to come to a grinding halt at that point.

[Godzilla2000Zero]

I also posted this on Facebook but if Godzilla does come to Comic Con than I think we should come up with a couple of intelligent questions if Legendary asks for any like the release date for example and that's the most important thing we need to know at this point

[Captain Aktion]

Am I the only one on this form that liked the GINO movie? Sure the creature isn't Godzilla but I loved the design anyway and the movie was pretty fun in my opinion.

Frankly, if I detach myself from it altogether, then...well, it's an okay piece of treacle. It's not that I dislike the film for not being the Godzilla film I dreamed of or anything, my problem with it is that it's just not a very good film. I accept that it is what it is, but it has some serious flaws on a fundamental level of storytelling. The first one that came to my mind just now: The fact that the way they finally defeat the giant monster is to shoot it with a few missiles. On a storytelling level, let me present an analogy; would it be fundamentally "broken" to have a kung-fu film where the main character/antagonist spent the film dodging bullets then have him die by taking a few slugs in the gut? I should think so, if for no other reason than the dramatic tension built by him using his innate powers to defy conventional death is completely annihilated by resolving it with a death due to what he's been built up to deny. Broken, by most storytelling standards, unless you're going for dramatic irony and trust me, I'd love to read the analysis that paints this as a legitimate portrait of said dramatic irony.
I'm not saying nobody could spin it that way, but I would love to read it.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, if GINO is a enjoyable on a guilty pleasure level (and I acknowledge that many G films are exactly that), then fair enough. I agree. But a good film...? That's a tough one...

EDIT: And I just thought of this...Was Jean Reno cast simply because he is marketable in Japan? I have no reason to really think this, but he did star in an Onimusha game so it leads me to think he has some cache in the Japanese audience, perhaps due to The Professional...just like here. I mean, did his character actually, logically need to be in the film? He never really did anything and it's not like he provided anything to the plot other than being a generic soldier type who sides with the heroes. He's just a heavy for the protagonists to fall back on, so really that role could've been anybody...So much to think about now

Our tastes in movies are always subjective. If I like a film then it is "good for me" and I am the only one that can make that decision for myself. I cannot make it for others. So if you don't think a movie is 'good" then for you that is your viewpoint and there is nothing wrong with it.

For me Godzilla movies are fun and entertaining, even the serious ones. I think there are flaws in story telling and logic for all the Godzilla movies. So for me GINO is no worse an offender than any other Godzilla movie in my opinion. There are even some Toho Godzilla movies that I do not like.


I do have a hard time seeing the American Godzilla movie as a Giodzilla movie, instead I tend to view it as just another giant monster movie and on that level I do like it. I agree it has flaws. For me the ending is a bit of an anti-climax because they seem to kill him rather easily after struggling so hard to kill him for so much of the movie. I also don't care too much for the time spent in Madison Square Gardens with the baby Zilla's because the pace of the movie seems to come to a grinding halt at that point.

My agreement=100%

[gatorzilla]

You guys might find this interesting. Comicbookmovie.com is doing a poll asking people which movie panel people are looking forward to most at Comic Con.

Godzilla is on there in 3rd place only behind Man of Steel and Iron Man 3 panels which is understandable.

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/ ... s/?a=62787

[Living Corpse]

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At least LPG got more votes then I was expecting. Still it pales in comparison to Marvel and DC and the Hobbit. So I guess Godzilla is, middle ground?

[Jomei]

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At least LPG got more votes then I was expecting. Still it pales in comparison to Marvel and DC and the Hobbit. So I guess Godzilla is, middle ground?

They also seem to have forgotten Pacific Rim.

[gatorzilla]

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At least LPG got more votes then I was expecting. Still it pales in comparison to Marvel and DC and the Hobbit. So I guess Godzilla is, middle ground?

They also seem to have forgotten Pacific Rim.

Ill probably catch hell for saying this but that doesnt bother me at all really. Pacific Rim is going to be a movie for fans of the giant monster and robot genres more than general audience. Godzilla is the one that needs to be the big focus because its our beloved franchise and icon and Id rather it do well instead Pacific Rim which im sure will still be a good movie but Id much rather Godzilla get all the attention.

[Jomei]

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At least LPG got more votes then I was expecting. Still it pales in comparison to Marvel and DC and the Hobbit. So I guess Godzilla is, middle ground?

They also seem to have forgotten Pacific Rim.

Ill probably catch hell for saying this but that doesnt bother me at all really. Pacific Rim is going to be a movie for fans of the giant monster and robot genres more than general audience. Godzilla is the one that needs to be the big focus because its our beloved franchise and icon and Id rather it do well instead Pacific Rim which im sure will still be a good movie but Id much rather Godzilla get all the attention.

You're not going to "catch hell," but you are wrong. I guarantee they're going to market Pacific Rim to a much wider audience than just the hardcore giant monster fans. I'm sure it will be more enjoyable for us, but it's a blockbuster type film bound to be loaded with plenty of action and special effects.

[Hellspawn28]

Godzilla is on there in 3rd place only behind Man of Steel and Iron Man 3 panels which is understandable.

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/ ... s/?a=62787

Godzilla only has like 89 votes . I think the hype will start kicking off once we get a trailer which won't be for a while.

[Jomei]

Godzilla is on there in 3rd place only behind Man of Steel and Iron Man 3 panels which is understandable.

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/ ... s/?a=62787

Godzilla only has like 89 votes . I think the hype will start kicking off once we get a trailer which won't be for a while.

He's beating Twilight and Tarantino. That's something.

[Living Corpse]

It's at 94 at the time I'm posting this, just give it time, LPG will reach triple digits eventually.

Normally I'd be disturbed that Twilight is doing better then Resident Evil (even though I hate the live action films) but for once I actually find it understandable, the market is over-saturated with zombies and people are getting sick and tired of them.

[gatorzilla]

While Iron Man 3 and Man of Steel are going to get the most votes obivously since superheroes are usually America's big thing the fact that they put Godzilla in that poll when he doesnt have an "official" panel this year and that its in 3rd place beating out these others says a lot. I cant wait to see how big the hype is after Comic Con.

[Cookson]

I am now hearing rumors from movie execs on the inside that Godzilla will not be the only Toho related monster at Legendary's Hall H showcasing.

We've not met. Do you have access or resources to this type of information? Anyone else know him?

If this is true, this is great news! I'm leaning towards Hedorah being the second monster. I mean, Banno is attached to this film, AND like or not this LP/WB film is a branch off of GODZILLA 3d that Banno was trying to make for years.

I for one would love to see Hedorah in a americanized film, as I believe he would fit in an American film perfectly. If it's another Toho monster, I'd be shocked at this point.

EDIT: Just wanted to say, that it's possible it might not be exactly Hedorah, but a Hedorah like kaiju. Banno did create a new Hedorah-like kaiju for Godzilla 3d(forgot the name).

[Gyaos]

Wasnt there a disproved rumor that Biollante was the enemy kaiju?

To be completely honest, I'd like to see her in the film or future installments.

[Cookson]

I'd be shocked if it turned out to be Biollante. She's a great character... but leave her alone. That one movie is all she gets for me... and it was a good one!

Hedorah makes a perfect enemy for Godzilla, as Hedorah has multiple forms. Godzilla destroys its first form, yet it comes back bigger and badder for the final battle. Sure this is the same for Biollante.... but seeing a huge rose flower monster in a american film... unlikely me thinks.

Love how Pacific Rim is all but forgotten... lol

[Gyaos]

^ Or maybe a Hedorah-like monster? Seeing something original would be neat too. I'd much rather not have King Ghidorah be in the first movie. Stick to something simple like Anguirus, Baragon or Rodan.

[Cookson]

Actually... now that I think about it. Would be cool if Anguirus was in it. First kaiju Godzilla ever fought.... first kaiju Godzilla fights in America. Makes sense!

[Gyaos]

While I'd like Anguirus to be in it, I'd also want Baragon. I really want the little guy to shine instead of getting kicked around all the time.

[SpanishBulldog63]

While I'd like Anguirus to be in it, I'd also want Baragon. I really want the little guy to shine instead of getting kicked around all the time.

Or Varan.Outside of his movie,the only screentime he's had is in nothing but stock footage(not counting the couple of seconds in DAM)