What monsters SHOULDN'T be in the reboot?

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What monsters SHOULDN'T be in the reboot?

Postby Showa Gyaos » Sun Jun 10, 2012 5:19 pm

We have a thread that asks what monsters you do want in this reboot. But we have no thread that concerns who we don't want to make an appearance. If the Moderators feel that this is unnecessary, lock it. Here are the ones I'd have to go against:

King Ghidorah -- I'm probably going to receive a lot of hell for saying this, but I don't care. I understand that King Ghidorah is Godzilla's nemesis and all, but he is the most overused antagonist in not just the Godzilla series, but the Toho universe itself. I do not have anything against him. But he needs to be shelved for once. Give someone else the spotlight. If LP makes more than one movie, put him in a sequel.

Mechagodzilla -- Kiryu has had two films to his name in the final three Godzilla movies. I'm getting a bit tired of the same JSDF clones. The only way I'd accept having Mechagodzilla is if he went back to its roots as a weapon for some extraterrestrial invaders. Does this mean I'm against Mechagodzilla ever appearing again? No. Like King Ghidorah, I think he needs a rest.

Mothra -- I highly doubt she even has a chance of getting a spot in the movie, but I'm going to make my case anyway. She's been in the last two Godzilla movies; many of her movies rehash the same moments from her debut film (an egg hatches, the larva comes out, transforms, etc.); and I don't want singing fairies in the reboot. Like King Ghidorah, add her in a sequel (if there will even be one!).
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Re: What monsters SHOULDN'T be in the reboot?

Postby SpanishBulldog63 » Sun Jun 10, 2012 5:39 pm

Bagan-He's too overhyped imo to meet the expectations of fans.With him being seen as some uber-powerful beast in almost every fanfic he's in, I really doubt he'd be pulled off in a way that would please fans.
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Re: What monsters SHOULDN'T be in the reboot?

Postby Living Corpse » Sun Jun 10, 2012 5:40 pm

I'm a King Ghidorah fan boy (he's my favorite monster, yep even before Big G himself) but yeah he needs a break. I wouldn't be against it but I'd rather see someone like Rodan. King Ghidorah would work better in a squeal.

Mothra I am getting SICK of at this point. Damn she was in three films last series.

As for Mechagodzilla, unless this is a world where Godzilla has already existed and been known about for some time I think it's safe to say we won't see him till a later film (if there is one).

Now Varan and Rodan I would like to see. Hell even Anggy.

And damn it Showa Gyaos, your avatar is hypnotic. :lol:
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Re: What monsters SHOULDN'T be in the reboot?

Postby TokyoVigilante » Sun Jun 10, 2012 5:42 pm

I don't buy into King Ghidorah being over used because we haven't had a legitimately in character and appropriate incarnation of King Ghidorah since RoMIII. However, he shouldn't be in the first film on the grounds that the character can finally have the opportunity to shine and be given the chance to display the vast potential for his mythology. It would be an utter shame to just throw him in the first movie and not take advantage of that.

The same applies for Mothra as well.
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Re: What monsters SHOULDN'T be in the reboot?

Postby Living Corpse » Sun Jun 10, 2012 5:44 pm

TokyoVigilante wrote:I don't buy into King Ghidorah being over used because we haven't had a legitimately in character and appropriate incarnation of King Ghidorah since RoMIII. However, he shouldn't be in the first film on the grounds that the character can finally have the opportunity to shine and be given the chance to display the vast potential for his mythology. It would be an utter shame to just throw him in the first movie and not take advantage of that.

The same applies for Mothra as well.


Basically you want a true King of Terror who lives up to his "super space monster destroying countless worlds" rumors right?
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Re: What monsters SHOULDN'T be in the reboot?

Postby TokyoVigilante » Sun Jun 10, 2012 5:48 pm

The celestial abomination who is so dreadful in the destruction it can ravage, it awakened a deep-rooted genetic fear in a Venusian descendant.

I wouldn't mind letting that story, of the Venusian Princess escaping to Earth and what happened that kept King Ghidorah from just moving onto our Planet and have it wrap around into the modern era.

There's a solo movie, just in the backstory we know from Ghidorah, t3HM. Lets not throw all of that away just to put all of our eggs in one basket.

Same with Mothra.
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Re: What monsters SHOULDN'T be in the reboot?

Postby shinmattiathekaiju » Sun Jun 10, 2012 5:57 pm

TokyoVigilante wrote:I don't buy into King Ghidorah being over used because we haven't had a legitimately in character and appropriate incarnation of King Ghidorah since RoMIII. However, he shouldn't be in the first film on the grounds that the character can finally have the opportunity to shine and be given the chance to display the vast potential for his mythology. It would be an utter shame to just throw him in the first movie and not take advantage of that.




This.


I don't want Gabara, King Caesar and Destroyah in the movie.
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Re: What monsters SHOULDN'T be in the reboot?

Postby Tyler » Sun Jun 10, 2012 6:25 pm

Forget y'all I want Ghidorah in the movie. They should go all out and attempt something great and not worry about sequels. But I've gone off about this already.

That or Rodan.

On topic: I don't think Mothra or Mechagodzilla would be right. In terms of the Big/Top Five.
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Re: What monsters SHOULDN'T be in the reboot?

Postby XxComablack1937xX » Sun Jun 10, 2012 6:28 pm

#1. Mothra - I f**king hate this monster, she was great in the Original but after that it's the same formula to beat Godzilla an i find it so frustrating and annoying at how easy it is.... At-least have like 15 Mothra's fight Godzilla without Godzilla killing most an by mere luck they sub-due him....Give us something new... but NO MOTHRA... I'll bootleg this film it if the first monster's Mothra.

#2. Mecha-Godzilla - To early in the American Franchise, Not enough Technology(in the sense its Godzilla's first real attack in the U.S.), an every Mecha-Godzilla since ''Terror of Mecha-Godzilla'' has looked like complete ass an just hasn't given me the impression of wanting the character back so soon.

#3. Gabara - Just skreeonk No... To stupid

#4. Destroyah - Could be cool but that wouldn't be until a 3rd film if there is one

#5. King Caesar - No, just no

#6. Space-Godzilla - Really? Do i even need to give a reason for this? It was a lazy idea that got put into a lazy script.... NO!


Monsters that SHOULD APPEAR AT SOME POINT : King Ghidorah or Rodan should be first! Then Biollante, Anguirus, Possibly Gigan an a New Monster.... We don't need anymore if we even get to a trilogy.
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Re: What monsters SHOULDN'T be in the reboot?

Postby Tyler » Sun Jun 10, 2012 6:36 pm

I've always thought a trilogy around the top five would be neat.

1 - Rodan (he shares a similar origin to Godzilla)
2 - Mothra and Ghidorah (opens up the universe with more cosmic characters)
3 - Mechagodzilla (we see a truly man-made monster in a world ravaged by monsters)

But I want Legendary to focus on a good single film before worrying about any of that. So many movies try to do that but it bites them on the ass cause the first movie they ship out is half-baked. I don't think it's a very responsible way to make movies based on properties. /ramble
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Re: What monsters SHOULDN'T be in the reboot?

Postby Living Corpse » Sun Jun 10, 2012 7:01 pm

I'm not really against King Ghidorah it's just that I think he should be save for a squeal. A monster as powerful as him would steal the spotlight from Big G. The baddie for this film should be at most someone who's he's equal like Rodan, so they still come off as cool without stealing the spotlight.
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Re: What monsters SHOULDN'T be in the reboot?

Postby Tyler » Sun Jun 10, 2012 7:03 pm

I don't get stealing the spotlight. It's still a movie starring Godzilla called Godzilla. You know he's gonna win in the end. It's his movie and if his villain is cool so be it. Batman's got away with it in almost all his movies.
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Re: What monsters SHOULDN'T be in the reboot?

Postby Living Corpse » Sun Jun 10, 2012 7:04 pm

Eh to each his own. I want Rodan but if we get King Ghidorah or hell both I'll still find it cool.
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Re: What monsters SHOULDN'T be in the reboot?

Postby SuperSaiyan4Godzilla » Sun Jun 10, 2012 7:06 pm

Godzilla.

Wait a minute....
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Re: What monsters SHOULDN'T be in the reboot?

Postby Gawdziller » Sun Jun 10, 2012 7:56 pm

SuperSaiyan4Godzilla wrote:Godzilla.

Wait a minute....



I agree. He's way overused in Godzilla movies. Just once I'd like one without him.
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Re: What monsters SHOULDN'T be in the reboot?

Postby Cimmerian Dragon » Mon Jun 11, 2012 4:19 am

Gawdziller wrote:
SuperSaiyan4Godzilla wrote:Godzilla.

I agree. He's way overused in Godzilla movies. Just once I'd like one without him.


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Re: What monsters SHOULDN'T be in the reboot?

Postby Rody » Mon Jun 11, 2012 6:14 am

^ I can't see the image. (EDIT: never mind; there it is. Lol.)
Anyway...

I agree that Mothra, Ghidorah, and Mechagodzilla need to be held off; they're overused, and MechaG would make absolutely no sense this early on.
For this same reason, I say no Biollante, Spacegodzilla or Destroyah.
Battra would probably be better with Mothra.
Gabara, King Caesar, Gigan, Megalon and Monster X are kaiju I have trouble imagining for this film.

Basically, I think LP needs to start with a simple, smaller-scale kaiju, like Anguirus or Ebirah. Save the more outlandish monsters for later.
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Re: What monsters SHOULDN'T be in the reboot?

Postby TokyoVigilante » Mon Jun 11, 2012 6:27 am

I maintain Hedorah is a great starting monster. His nature allows for a variety of different set pieces, he's a monster that can really demonstrate the technical leaps the franchise can have with the use of CG and larger budget, he has a back story that is hard to over explain, and he is somewhat socially relevant.
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Re: What monsters SHOULDN'T be in the reboot?

Postby Llante » Mon Jun 11, 2012 10:57 am

Although, any monsters would be good if they are used properly, I think that the film should only include Godzilla and reserve other monsters for potential sequels. Otherwise, Godzilla's spotlight might be stolen or the story might get too complicated for one movie.
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Re: What monsters SHOULDN'T be in the reboot?

Postby Legion1979 » Mon Jun 11, 2012 2:19 pm

Llante wrote:I think that the film should only include Godzilla and reserve other monsters for potential sequels.


Yeah well, we already know that's not happening.

Otherwise, Godzilla's spotlight might be stolen or the story might get too complicated for one movie.


Why do people keep saying this? It literally makes no bloody sense. A two hour movie is plenty of time to establish a main character and an antagonist. Every single freaking Superhero movie is able to do it. Why in the world couldn't a Godzilla film do the same, provided it's written right.

People really need to get over this fear.
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