gamera vs godzilla & 60th anniversity flim

[JVM]

I expect Toho will make a 60th anniversary film, if only due to the anniversary aspect and since that would probably help revenue at least a bit. If not, they'll do SOMETHING. Godzilla hasn't missed an anniversary yet, even if his last two sucked ass bigger than the big G's.

[o.supreme]

If Godzilla wins, the Gamera fans will go nuts. If its a tie, it'll be corny, since everyone wants a definitive win.

Gamera has fans?? But seriously, would anyone be truely upset if Gamera lost to Godzilla? I mean I have always thought of the whole Gamera franchise as a lesser or secondary franchise to Godzilla. I know the whole Freddy/Jason thing was bad as both had devoted fans, but c'mon its Gamera we're talking about. Even after the Heisei trilogy tried to make him all serious, can anyone really say Godzilla couldn't beat Gamera??

Gamera to me is almost like a "little brother" to Godzilla. You never mess with big brother because you know he'll kick your a**. But if you need help, he's the first one to defend you. I think a Godzilla/Gamera team up would be better if the two monsters were ever in the same film, which I dont see happening anytime soon.

[Godzilla 1995]

If Godzilla wins, the Gamera fans will go nuts. If its a tie, it'll be corny, since everyone wants a definitive win.

Gamera has fans?? But seriously, would anyone be truely upset if Gamera lost to Godzilla?

Some people would, but if you were to pit the two kaiju against each other, it would be easy to see that Godzilla has the upper hand. Godzilla has shown himself to be a much more powerful kaiju than Gamera on many occasions, and able to take a bigger beating than Gamera. The only weapon in Gamera's arsenal that I can think of that would hurt Godzilla would be the Mana Beam. Gamera just isn't in the same class as Godzilla.

[Hellspawn28]

But in crossovers everything is blance down to make things fair. Look at comic book crossovers like GL vs. Aliens or video games like Super Smash Bros. If a Godzilla vs. Gamera movie was made then they would fine a way to make it a fair fight.

[Showa Gyaos]

If Godzilla wins, the Gamera fans will go nuts. If its a tie, it'll be corny, since everyone wants a definitive win.

Gamera has fans?? But seriously, would anyone be truely upset if Gamera lost to Godzilla?

Some people would, but if you were to pit the two kaiju against each other, it would be easy to see that Godzilla has the upper hand. Godzilla has shown himself to be a much more powerful kaiju than Gamera on many occasions, and able to take a bigger beating than Gamera. The only weapon in Gamera's arsenal that I can think of that would hurt Godzilla would be the Mana Beam. Gamera just isn't in the same class as Godzilla.

I'm sorry, Godzilla 1995, but if the original Gamera were to make an appearance, Godzilla's atomic ray would not do shit. Plus, Godzilla's been defeated by Mothra several times, and I don't think his performance against the imagos and larvae make him any better than Gamera. Gamera may not have as much weaponry, but he is known for taking gruesome blows against his foes. Besides--if Gamera and Godzilla were to encounter each other, Gamera would be the hero, since he is basically a guardian of the planet.

[Godzilla 2000]

I'm sorry, Godzilla 1995, but if the original Gamera were to make an appearance, Godzilla's atomic ray would not do shit.

And your basis for that would be...?

Plus, Godzilla's been defeated by Mothra several times, and I don't think his performance against the imagos and larvae make him any better than Gamera.

Depends on which Godzilla.

'64 was outmaneuvered and "cocooned."

'92 was ganed up on by Mothra and Battra.

'03 was weakened by Kiryu, allowing the larva's to "cocoon" him.

Gamera may not have as much weaponry, but he is known for taking gruesome blows against his foes. Besides--if Gamera and Godzilla were to encounter each other, Gamera would be the hero, since he is basically a guardian of the planet.

Of course, who's to say Godzilla cant be the hero, and Gamera the villian?

[Showa Gyaos]

And your basis for that would be...?

Gamera fed off of anything man-made, terrestrial, or otherwise. He also devours radiation, and can potentially absorb it....though, Godzilla's beam would probably still be explosive, and not just radiated.

'64 was outmaneuvered and "cocooned."

'92 was ganed up on by Mothra and Battra.

'03 was weakened by Kiryu, allowing the larva's to "cocoon" him.

'64 was understandable, since he was snuck up on, but once he found out that something was firing at him, he didn't even try to find out what was doing it. He kept on walking. '92 is even more understandable, and I can't really say anything other than it was a Heisei film...with beam wars. '03 Godzilla was weak to begin with. Kiryu was a machine that frequently shut down in the middle of a fight, and the Mothra Larvae were just the same bugs, but in plain sight and not behind rocks. For Millennium standards, Kiryu was powerful, but S.O.S. Godzilla just didn't seem to hold himself together when fighting. The slightest explosion made him wail.

Of course, who's to say Godzilla cant be the hero, and Gamera the villian?

Toho would most likely keep Godzilla as a creature that despises humanity. He held that attitude from 1984 to 2004....sort of.

[Legion1979]

Of course, who's to say Godzilla cant be the hero, and Gamera the villian?

Gamera has never in 50+ years been the villain. That isn't what Gamera is about. That wouldn't even make sense considering the character's history.

[Legionmaster]

Gamera has never in 50+ years been the villain. That isn't what Gamera is about.

Gamera the Invincible would like to have a word with you.

[Godzilla 2000]

Of course, who's to say Godzilla cant be the hero, and Gamera the villian?

Gamera has never in 50+ years been the villain. That isn't what Gamera is about. That wouldn't even make sense considering the character's history.

Funny you should say that, cuz at first, Godzilla was this horrific and terrible embodiment for nuclear war and such, and then, in 1962, we got KKvsG, where it was bascially kaiju pro-wrestling.

So if Godzilla can be switch gears just like that, why not Gamera?

[Showa Gyaos]

Funny you should say that, cuz at first, Godzilla was this horrific and terrible embodiment for nuclear war and such, and then, in 1962, we got KKvsG, where it was bascially kaiju pro-wrestling.

So if Godzilla can be switch gears just like that, why not Gamera?

The Gamera films, as bloody as they are, have always been aimed at children (even the Heisei trilogy, though many disagree). Gamera has been misunderstood before, and so has Godzilla. Kadokawa/Daiei could make Gamera a hateful monster, but he was never truly a grim message like Godzilla, so they would have no reason to alter Gamera's personality.

[Living Corpse]

I would love to see a Gamera vs Godzilla film but there are many problems that would make it hard to pull off such as the fact as Gamera is not as well known so people might mistake for just another Godzilla monster and not know that this is a huge event because it's a crossover.

Not saying it can't be done, it can, it's just going to be really hard but I'm sure one day we well see this and it's going to be one hell of a fight.

[omgitsgodzilla]

...but if you were to pit the two kaiju against each other, it would be easy to see that Godzilla has the upper hand. Godzilla has shown himself to be a much more powerful kaiju than Gamera on many occasions, and able to take a bigger beating than Gamera.

True, but Gamera's taken some pretty serious damage. Anyone here seen Gamera vs. Viras, by any chance? Viras freaking impaled him most of the way through the torso, creating a seriously huge hole. Gamera kept on going. That proves to me that Gamera is one tough bastard, whether he's a match for Godzilla or not.
And as for some new Toho films, we probably will get those if and when Legendary's movies end up being popular in Japan and Legendary ends their series. And as much as we'd love that, unless Legendary's movies kick epic amounts of ass (which, fortunately, many of them have so far), there's a bit of a chance it won't happen. But let's all hope it does.

[Legion1979]

Of course, who's to say Godzilla cant be the hero, and Gamera the villian?

Gamera has never in 50+ years been the villain. That isn't what Gamera is about. That wouldn't even make sense considering the character's history.

Funny you should say that, cuz at first, Godzilla was this horrific and terrible embodiment for nuclear war and such, and then, in 1962, we got KKvsG, where it was bascially kaiju pro-wrestling.

So if Godzilla can be switch gears just like that, why not Gamera?

Because Godzilla switched gears only ten years and 5 films into his existence. For 55 years and 12 films Gamera has always been a good guy. Whether it be the "friend of all children" or "the guardian of the universe" this is what Gamera has always been. Him playing bad guy to Godzilla's good guy makes no sense at all to me.

[DaikaijuSokogeki!]

Gamera has never in 50+ years been the villain.

For 55 years and 12 films Gamera has always been a good guy.

45 YEARS. FORTY. FIVE.

*a-hem*

If they ever do it, there's no way they can end the movie with one beating the other. Godzilla can't beat Gamera because Gamera WILL be the good guy, and Gamera can't beat Godzilla because....he's Godzilla. So, throw in Gyaos and King Ghidorah and we could make this crossover work.

[Legion1979]

45 YEARS. FORTY. FIVE.

*a-hem*

Damn, you're right. Still, that's a long time too.

If they ever do it, there's no way they can end the movie with one beating the other. Godzilla can't beat Gamera because Gamera WILL be the good guy, and Gamera can't beat Godzilla because....he's Godzilla. So, throw in Gyaos and King Ghidorah and we could make this crossover work.

Yup.

[miguelnuva]

Gamera was not a good guy in the 90's movie he protects the earth not the people thus Gamera could end up being a villian while godzilla could take a showa style role.

Plus Godzilla vs gamera would be like wwe againts tna. Tna has a huge fanbase but its the wwe their going to win same with godzilla and gamera I don't know anyone where I live that knows gamera but me but almost everyone has seen atleast one godzilla movie.

[Tyler]

Would anybody else agree that Gamera has gotten better over time while Godzilla has only become mediocre?

[Kuroneko-sama]

^Yes, I would have to say that, overall, the Gamera films have gotten better over the years, even though the last film, Gamera the Brave didn't do as well as the Heisei films did. I think Gamera had more to work with: less films and a mediocre Showa track record gave plenty of opportunity to experiment and break barriers. With Godzilla, there isn't that much luxury.

Godzilla vs. Gamera wouldn't hold for an entire movie. Like as not, the two may eventually clash, but I think that they would end up teaming together to combat a much bigger threat, most likely some Gyaos hybrid or King Ghidorah or even both if it came down to it. I can see Godzilla and Gamera clashing at first, but not for entire movie. That just wouldn't do well at all. King Kong going up against Godzilla was fine, and I think a rematch would be great, but you can't use that same kind of formula if you were to put Godzilla and Gamera in the same film. Gamera would inevitably end up being a heroic figure - the only times Gamera was seen as a threat was almost always due to a misunderstanding. Look at its track record:

Daikaiju Gamera/Gammera the Invincible/Gamera: The original film, and I've seen two different American versions, one being Sandy Frank's dubbing. Gamera was set up as a villain, although this is a bit debatable, considering it saved a child. Mostly Gamera was the villain only because of the damage it created, and it needed to be stopped.

Gamera vs. Barugon: Seen as a villain only somewhat, and being more of an anti-hero than anything else. Gamera is seen dishing out destruction early in the film, but when Barugon shows up, Gamera sort of becomes the hero, although not as much as later films would later depict it.

Gamera vs. Gaos through Gamera: Super Monster: Gamera is now full-fledged hero, and the only times you see Gamera treated as a threat is mostly from the antagonist's side. Only a few times has Gamera been seen as a potential threat: Gamera vs. Viras, when Viras has Gamera under a mind control and sends it to destroy things. Gamera is not a real threat, however, and perceived as such only because of Viras. In Gamera vs. Jiger, Gamera is only momentarily seen as a threat when attempting to stop the excavation of the Devil's Whistle on Wester Island, but, there again, it is a misunderstanding, and Gamera is only trying to prevent future events - and fails.

Gamera: Guardian of the Universe, Gamera 2: Advent of Legion, Gamera 3: Incomplete Struggle: In all films, Gamera is a bit of an anti-hero, but not the villain, although it is initially perceived as such in G:GotU. The only time Gamera seems like a villain is to Ayana in G3, and that is because of her perception of events surrounding the death of her parents and blaming Gamera as a result.

Gamera the Brave: Gamera returns to being a hero, and not perceived as a villain, although still a bit of a threat (self-destruction being the primary concern).

Truthfully, while Gamera offers a great deal in giving a person freedom to experiment, the character itself would be difficult to change. I cannot see Gamera successfully being pulled off as villain, to be honest.

Toho, however, would not want to have Gamera in the same film is Godzilla, unfortunately, as evidenced by Toho's continuous refusal to have the two together. I can see from a business perspective why they would do that, although, as a fan of both franchises, it is rather disappointing. If LP can pull off this upcoming Godzilla film (and I hope they do), then we may get a crack at Gamera possibly gaining entry through LP, although this is pure conjecture and unlikely to ever occur.

Now, as far as a 60th Anniversary film, that is likely to come into play, although with the LP project going on, I couldn't say if it would be done by Toho or if LP would take the helm at that point. Toho hasn't missed any anniversary films to date, so I would think that it would churn out a Godzilla film of its own just to celebrate that. The only question would be, after the LP film and the anticipated 60th Anniversary film, where would Godzilla go from there? Dependant upon how either film would do, Godzilla may make more comebacks, or be reduced to anniversary films. Either way, I do believe that we'll get a 60th Anniversary film, and hopefully it won't end up like GFW.

[Arrow]

Would anybody else agree that Gamera has gotten better over time while Godzilla has only become mediocre?

I've been saying that for the longest time now.