Final Wars: Why all the Hate?

[Destroyer]

Stop being such a moron.

Now that wasn't called for.

So was calling someone a snob for no real reason.

Jeez with the name calling, I didn't think this post would turn into this. I found the humans interesting and not "dull" as a lot of the G film's humans are.

[HeiseiGodzilla117]

I found the humans interesting and not "dull" as a lot of the G film's humans are.

What made you think they were interesting and other humans in Godzilla flicks were boring?

[GotengoXGodzilla]

Now that wasn't called for.

So was calling someone a snob for no real reason.

Jeez with the name calling, I didn't think this post would turn into this. I found the humans interesting and not "dull" as a lot of the G film's humans are.

You're doing it again. You're just making statements without backing them up.

Okay, you find the human characters interesting. WHY are they interesting? What makes them more interesting than other human characters? Explain yourself.

Also, I'm still baffled that you can say that the human characters in GFW are interesting, yet they're dull in other Godzilla films. Seriously, have you seen Mothra vs. Godzilla, Invasion Of The Astro-Monster or Terror Of MechaGodzilla? Even the back ground characters in Gojira are more interesting than Ozaki.

[King Caesar]

^ You're comparing Final Wars with some of the best movies in the G-franchise. That's hardly a fair comparison. Consider the characters in GRA, DAM, or SoG. They are just as lackluster as the human characters in GFW. The movie was on par (IMO) with characters, in relation to the ENTIRE Godzilla series.

[Destroyer]

You're doing it again. You're just making statements without backing them up.

Okay, you find the human characters interesting. WHY are they interesting? What makes them more interesting than other human characters? Explain yourself.

Also, I'm still baffled that you can say that the human characters in GFW are interesting, yet they're dull in other Godzilla films. Seriously, have you seen Mothra vs. Godzilla, Invasion Of The Astro-Monster or Terror Of MechaGodzilla? Even the back ground characters in Gojira are more interesting than Ozaki.

I didn't say ALL the films. I liked their characters, they had this "cool" feeling. (Not to mention that they're not powerless like the rest.) It's hard not to root for these people. They are LIKABLE characters, and not dull. Sure, MONSTER ZERO's humans were of course better, but FW's humans were hard not to like.

[TokyoVigilante]

Fun Fact; the dynamic between the hero and villain of Final Wars is exactly the same as it is in the film Versus, which was also a film written by Kitamura and was his "big break" film.

Hero with great power encounters villain with greater power.

Villain taunts hero with hints about a greater connection unknown to the hero.

Hero finds female character who is key in developing his power.

Villain has a scene where he explains to the hero how they're connected.

Hero and villain fight again, with the villain winning for a second time.

Female character does whatever she needs to do to unlock the heroes greater power.

Hero has an epiphany and beats the villain who is stunned and shocked by the heroes new found abilities.

[SuperSaiyan4Godzilla]

Fun Fact; the dynamic between the hero and villain of Final Wars is exactly the same as it is in the film Versus, which was also a film written by Kitamura and was his "big break" film.

Hero with great power encounters villain with greater power.

Villain taunts hero with hints about a greater connection unknown to the hero.

Hero finds female character who is key in developing his power.

Villain has a scene where he explains to the hero how they're connected.

Hero and villain fight again, with the villain winning for a second time.

Female character does whatever she needs to do to unlock the heroes greater power.

Hero has an epiphany and beats the villain who is stunned and shocked by the heroes new found abilities.

More or less the DragonBall formula Akira Toriyama pioneered.

[tymon]

Lets just drop the whole arguing issue here. IF he wants to like for the reasons he stated then let him be. Just because he dosen't agree with what you say dose not mean need to critize everything he has typed to deffend himself

Quiet, you! We need to pretend filmmaking isn't subjective so we can assert our superior viewpoints!

Destroyer likes the movie, and he's already said why dozens of times. He doesn't provide the most of elaborate of reasons (though it's worth noting that nitpicking the negative aspects of a movie is much easier to do than describing the positives in-depth), but can't we just accept that this guy enjoys the things we despise and move on?

I may be unintentionally condescending, but atleast I don;t out right insult people.

Stop being such a moron.

Hm.

[Legion1979]

^ You're comparing Final Wars with some of the best movies in the G-franchise. That's hardly a fair comparison. Consider the characters in GRA, DAM, or SoG. They are just as lackluster as the human characters in GFW.

The Son of Godzilla characters as lackluster as the ones in GFW?

Oh hell no. No, no, no, no. no. Not by a longshot.

[KaneLocke]

^ You're comparing Final Wars with some of the best movies in the G-franchise. That's hardly a fair comparison. Consider the characters in GRA, DAM, or SoG. They are just as lackluster as the human characters in GFW. The movie was on par (IMO) with characters, in relation to the ENTIRE Godzilla series.

Hardly. There are only a select few characters in the series as horribly cliched, unoriginal, and stiff as the characters in GFW. Give me a while and I can cite specific examples.

[GotengoXGodzilla]

You're comparing Final Wars with some of the best movies in the G-franchise. That's hardly a fair comparison. Consider the characters in GRA, DAM, or SoG. They are just as lackluster as the human characters in GFW. The movie was on par (IMO) with characters, in relation to the ENTIRE Godzilla series.

A. Son Of Godzilla? Really? SoG has the best well rounded cast out of any of the Godzilla films. Those characters are amazing.
B. I really don't care if it's not a fair comparison. Destroyer here is saying that the characters in GFW are interesting, and that characters in other Godzilla films are dull. When someone makes a statement like that, of course I'm going to turn to the Godzilla films with the best examples of great characters, like Mothra vs. Godzilla, Gojira, Son Of Godzilla, Terror Of MechaGodzilla and Ebirah, Horror Of The Deep.

I didn't say ALL the films.

Then what films were you talking about? Really, if you think that the characters in GFW are interesting (:roll:), then I'd like to know which Godzilla films you think have dull characters. That should be interesting to read.

I liked their characters, they had this "cool" feeling.

...That's not an explanation. Being "cool" does not make characters interesting. As a matter of fact, saying "The characters are cool" is just another way of saying "The characters are interesting". So you still haven't explained yourself by saying that they're "cool".

(Not to mention that they're not powerless like the rest.)

So what? It doesn't matter if they have powers or not. Having powers does not make a character interesting. I would still gladly take Goro Maki from Son Of Godzilla, who had no powers, over Ozaki any day.

It's hard not to root for these people.

I found it incredibly easy to not root for them. I had no reason to care for these people, because they weren't relatable or interesting characters.

They are LIKABLE characters, and not dull.

Seriously, stop doing this. You've said this more than once, with no support for it, and we've rebuked it more than once. The characters in GFW are uninteresting, uninvesting, unrelatable and therefore dull. We have no reason to care about what happens to these characters, no emotional ties to them and worst of all, they're basically just rip-offs from other film characters, especially Ozaki (*cough*Neo*cough*).

Sure, MONSTER ZERO's humans were of course better, but FW's humans were hard not to like.

The only somewhat likable character in GFW was Captain Gordon, but he's likable for all the wrong reasons.

[Gigan X3]

Hey I like Final Wars a lot but even I think it's wrong to put it on the same league as Son of Godzilla! >:O

[GotengoXGodzilla]

Hey I like Final Wars a lot but even I think it's wrong to put it on the same league as Son of Godzilla! >:O

They're both Godzilla films, aren't they? They can be compared just as much as any other two Godzilla films can.

[Gigan X3]

Hey I like Final Wars a lot but even I think it's wrong to put it on the same league as Son of Godzilla! >:O

They're both Godzilla films, aren't they? They can be compared just as much as any other two Godzilla films can.

I was talking about quality, I guess the only point that can easily be agreed with is that the design of Godzilla isn't laughable in GFW unlike SOG's.

[GotengoXGodzilla]

Hey I like Final Wars a lot but even I think it's wrong to put it on the same league as Son of Godzilla! >:O

They're both Godzilla films, aren't they? They can be compared just as much as any other two Godzilla films can.

I was talking about quality, I guess the only point that can easily be agreed with is that the design of Godzilla isn't laughable in GFW unlike SOG's.

Well, to be fair, the two AREN'T in the same league. Son Of Godzilla is a better Godzilla film in every sense of the word. Hell, I wasn't even comparing the two of them in the first place.

[Gigan X3]

Well, to be fair, the two AREN'T in the same league. Son Of Godzilla is a better Godzilla film in every sense of the word.

And that was pretty much my point, glad you got it.

[GotengoXGodzilla]

Well, to be fair, the two AREN'T in the same league. Son Of Godzilla is a better Godzilla film in every sense of the word.

And that was pretty much my point, glad you got it.

Well yeah, I knew that from the beginning. Godzilla: Final Wars is one of the worst Godzilla films, and Son Of Godzilla is different, but still one of the best.

But again, I wasn't comparing the two of them. Just using Son Of Godzilla as an example of a good Godzilla film.

[Gigan X3]

Well, to be fair, the two AREN'T in the same league. Son Of Godzilla is a better Godzilla film in every sense of the word.

And that was pretty much my point, glad you got it.

Well yeah, I knew that from the beginning. Godzilla: Final Wars is one of the worst Godzilla films, and Son Of Godzilla is different, but still one of the best.

But again, I wasn't comparing the two of them. Just using Son Of Godzilla as an example of a good Godzilla film.

Now I'd like to debate Final Wars being in the bottom 5, I think it's very different and yeah it barely has him in it but I still find it more enjoyable than most Heisei films.

[Destroyer]

Then what films were you talking about? Really, if you think that the characters in GFW are interesting (:roll:), then I'd like to know which Godzilla films you think have dull characters. That should be interesting to read.

Godzilla's Revenge, Godzilla vs. Megalon, GODZILLA, (American) Godzilla vs. Hedorah, and Godzilla vs. Spacegodzilla are just naming a few.

...That's not an explanation. Being "cool" does not make characters interesting. As a matter of fact, saying "The characters are cool" is just another way of saying "The characters are interesting". So you still haven't explained yourself by saying that they're "cool".

The main guy has the whole heroic not wanting to kill thing, which I like, the Captain was fun to watch on screen, the President, (name escapes me) who got impersonated was a pretty cool guy, (c'mon, he had style.) The villain was always fun to watch on screen, since most of the time in G films, the human/alien villains are always a little dull. (I do like the Controller of Planet X though.)

So what? It doesn't matter if they have powers or not. Having powers does not make a character interesting. I would still gladly take Goro Maki from Son Of Godzilla, who had no powers, over Ozaki any day.

True, but it makes it a more entertaining ride. Icing on the cake you could say.

[Biollante]

Now I'd like to debate Final Wars being in the bottom 5, I think it's very different and yeah it barely has him in it but I still find it more enjoyable than most Heisei films.

Agreed. I would take Final Wars over junk like King Ghidorah and SpaceGodzilla any day.