Final Wars: Why all the Hate?

[Tyler]

I bet it was like the third time that happened to the painter.

[Gawdziller]

He just likes to toot his own horn.

[Viva la revolucion!]

I think the music in Godzilla Final Wars is awesome, like the cool track when Rodane attacks New York and blows stuff away with his wind incredible. Perhaps they should use this music in the next Godzilla franchise.

[Goji]

Perhaps they should use this music in the next Godzilla franchise.

Uh, in a word, no.

[Viva la revolucion!]

Perhaps they can use it because the composer conducter for the music is american and can take more money from the movie and it will sound pop awesoem.

[Goji]

That doesn't make any sense. I'm curious, is English your first language?

[Viva la revolucion!]

I speak spanish for the time but my english classes are C plus!

[Chris55]

He honked the horn, slapstick ensued, everyone lol'd, the end.

and then he went back and humped that car again

[Goji]

I speak spanish for the time but my english classes are C plus!

Ah, okay. I was just wondering.

[GotengoXGodzilla]

Why does this matter so much? Honestly.

Like, it's not even worth discussing.

He honked the horn, slapstick ensued, everyone lol'd, the end.

I didn't laugh, because by honking the horn, he's doing the thing that the bullies wanted him to do from the very beginning, thus giving in to the bullies demands. What ever happened to standing up for yourself?

No one made him do it, the film gives every indication that he did it for a laugh.

So Ichiro is being the bully now? In a way, that's even worse than going against the film's moral: The hero is now no better than the villain.

[Rody]

Perhaps they should use this music in the next Godzilla franchise.

Uh, in a word, no.

I admit, I like Final Wars's soundtrack as well - but like many other aspects of the movie, it doesn't really fit for Godzilla.

[Godzilla 2000]

I didn't laugh, because by honking the horn, he's doing the thing that the bullies wanted him to do from the very beginning, thus giving in to the bullies demands. What ever happened to standing up for yourself?

So Ichiro is being the bully now? In a way, that's even worse than going against the film's moral: The hero is now no better than the villain.

Oh my God, dude, lighten the Hell up.

It's a movie. Ya gotta just roll with it and stop questioning everything.

[GotengoXGodzilla]

I didn't laugh, because by honking the horn, he's doing the thing that the bullies wanted him to do from the very beginning, thus giving in to the bullies demands. What ever happened to standing up for yourself?

So Ichiro is being the bully now? In a way, that's even worse than going against the film's moral: The hero is now no better than the villain.

Oh my God, dude, lighten the Hell up.

It's a movie. Ya gotta just roll with it and stop questioning everything.

I could easily turn that around: It's a movie, ya gotta continue to ask questions, otherwise why are you even watching it?

It's very simple. If something doesn't make sense to me, I'm going to question what's going on. It doesn't matter if it's with a movie or real life, especially with a movie that's suppose to be a reflection of real life.

[Godzilla 2000]

I could easily turn that around: It's a movie, ya gotta continue to ask questions, otherwise why are you even watching it?

I dunno, to be entertained? To let your imagination escape and run wild? That's kinda the idea.

It's very simple. If something doesn't make sense to me, I'm going to question what's going on. It doesn't matter if it's with a movie or real life, especially with a movie that's suppose to be a reflection of real life.

Dude, it's a movie. It doesnt have to make sense...

I mean, I dont see you questioning the boy who can fall asleep and dream at will, or how he can specifically dream about going to monster island and interacting with Minya, and yet the bit with the painter throws you off? Ok...

[GotengoXGodzilla]

I could easily turn that around: It's a movie, ya gotta continue to ask questions, otherwise why are you even watching it?

I dunno, to be entertained? To let your imagination escape and run wild? That's kinda the idea.

In order to be entertained, I need to know what is actually going on. Otherwise, there's no point in watching the film.

It's very simple. If something doesn't make sense to me, I'm going to question what's going on. It doesn't matter if it's with a movie or real life, especially with a movie that's suppose to be a reflection of real life.

Dude, it's a movie. It doesnt have to make sense...

...Yeah, it does need to make sense. Of course it does. If it doesn't make sense, then what's the point of having any logic in a movie to begin with? Why have rules at all?

To me, that's the number one rule for a movie to be: To make sense.

I mean, I dont see you questioning the boy who can fall asleep and dream at will, or how he can specifically dream about going to monster island and interacting with Minya, and yet the bit with the painter throws you off? Ok...

Because what happens in Ichiro's dream makes sense: It's a dream, anything can happen there. But the deal with the painter? It makes no sense to me, because it makes Ichiro out to be no better than the bullies, and goes against the moral of the film.

[Godzilla 2000]

In order to be entertained, I need to know what is actually going on. Otherwise, there's no point in watching the film.

...Yeah, it does need to make sense. Of course it does. If it doesn't make sense, then what's the point of having any logic in a movie to begin with? Why have rules at all?

To me, that's the number one rule for a movie to be: To make sense.

Because what happens in Ichiro's dream makes sense: It's a dream, anything can happen there. But the deal with the painter? It makes no sense to me, because it makes Ichiro out to be no better than the bullies, and goes against the moral of the film.

Man, you much be such a bore to talk to in real life if this is how you approach things. I mean, REALLY dude.

It's a strange, stupid little movie for kids. It shouldnt require so much thought and discussion to comprehend.

He made the guy fall to prove to the other kids that he had the balls to pull a prank like that. There, simple.

It doesnt mean he's now a delinquent who will lead his fellow ne'er-do-wells on a crime spree across the neighborhood.

The message of "standing up for yourself" isnt rendered null and void because he decided to pull one prank.

Shit man, IT'S THAT SIMPLE.

And if you dont understand something, instead of constantly going "I dont get it, it doesnt make sense" and questioning everyone who tries to make you understand, try doing what I do; make sense of it yourself. Make it seem logical to yourself.

Example:

Me: Why did Ichiro make the painter fall over?
Myself: Maybe he wanted to show the other kids that he had the balls to do it.
I: Yeah, that works. Let's go with that.

And then I move on with my life.

[GotengoXGodzilla]

Man, you much be such a bore to talk to in real life if this is how you approach things. I mean, REALLY dude.

Can you really go just one conversation with a person that has a different opinion than you without resorting to insults? Or is that just impossible for you?

It's a strange, stupid little movie for kids. It shouldnt require so much thought and discussion to comprehend.

That's an excuse.

Just because it's a children's film, doesn't mean that it shouldn't require some thought to understand what's going on. One of my favorite movies as a kid, Star Trek II: The Wrath Of Khan, required quite a bit of thought in order for a six year old to understand what's going on.

A children's film is still a film, and a film needs to make sense.

He made the guy fall to prove to the other kids that he had the balls to pull a prank like that. There, simple.

Not really. Because, by doing so, it not only makes Ichiro look like a bully, effectively making him no better than the villain, but he allows goes against the moral of the film: To stand up for yourself against those who torment you.

On top of that, Ichiro already proved that he had balls when he stood up to the burglars and fought Gabara. So if that ending bit was there just to prove that Ichiro had the balls to do, it was entirely pointless.

The message of "standing up for yourself" isnt rendered null and void because he decided to pull one prank.

No, it's rendered null and void, because he did what the bullies bullied him to do at the beginning of the film. I don't care if he did it as a prank or not, he still did what the bullies wanted from the start.

If they wanted the film to end on Ichiro pulling a prank, then it should have been something entirely different from honking the painter's horn.

[Dr. Nishiyama]

I could easily turn that around: It's a movie, ya gotta continue to ask questions, otherwise why are you even watching it?

I dunno, to be entertained? To let your imagination escape and run wild? That's kinda the idea.

In order to be entertained, I need to know what is actually going on. Otherwise, there's no point in watching the film.

It's very simple. If something doesn't make sense to me, I'm going to question what's going on. It doesn't matter if it's with a movie or real life, especially with a movie that's suppose to be a reflection of real life.

Dude, it's a movie. It doesnt have to make sense...

...Yeah, it does need to make sense. Of course it does. If it doesn't make sense, then what's the point of having any logic in a movie to begin with? Why have rules at all?

To me, that's the number one rule for a movie to be: To make sense.

I mean, I dont see you questioning the boy who can fall asleep and dream at will, or how he can specifically dream about going to monster island and interacting with Minya, and yet the bit with the painter throws you off? Ok...

Because what happens in Ichiro's dream makes sense: It's a dream, anything can happen there. But the deal with the painter? It makes no sense to me, because it makes Ichiro out to be no better than the bullies, and goes against the moral of the film.

If you have to know what is going on to be entertained stay away from the films of Lars Von Trier and Alejandro Jodorowski!

Also, in the Japanese version of All Monsters Attack, didn't Ichiro's dad say he'd pay for the painter's ruined clothes and the damaged sign? Can't remember, but if so, Ichiro is a little turd since his parents make very little money if they work all the time.

[Gawdziller]

Dude, it's a movie. It doesnt have to make sense...

All readers are invited to vote on my response to this:

A. So that's why so many people like M. Night Shyamalan.
B. And thus the Butterfly Effect 2 was declared the greatest movie ever made.

YOU DECIDE!

[edgaguirus]

Regarding the music in GfW...

It works in some scenes. Godzilla vs Zilla, G vs Kumonga, and Kazama's sacrifice had appropriate scores, but other music choices fell flat.