Talkback: Godzilla 2000 Millennium (1999)

[LSD Jellyfish]

You know I'm honestly surprised that nobody's mentioned what with the release of Godzilla The Game, we now know that G2000 definitely continues from some version of 1954.

It's news, but nothing shocking or groundbreaking like 2000 shares continuity with Heisei or something else super ridiculous. A lot of people are also dubious of where they get their info.

[Space Hunter M]

You know I'm honestly surprised that nobody's mentioned what with the release of Godzilla The Game, we now know that G2000 definitely continues from some version of 1954.

Unsurprising, but that's the same guide that claims KiryuGoji is the same Godzilla as the '54 monster when it's CLEARLY Kiryu itself.

[g2vd]

You know I'm honestly surprised that nobody's mentioned what with the release of Godzilla The Game, we now know that G2000 definitely continues from some version of 1954.

Unsurprising, but that's the same guide that claims KiryuGoji is the same Godzilla as the '54 monster when it's CLEARLY Kiryu itself.

Wait what?..How did I miss that...yeah there were definitely translation issues some pretty huge ones.

[Barkley]

I have to agree with Mini-Godzilla... this movie bores the ever loving shit out of me. One of my least favorite millenium entries.

It's so bad. G98 was bad enough for the Godzilla brand, then this cheesefest came out and sets Godzilla's image back another couple decades. We're just now coming out of that and the big guy is being taken seriously again!

-Barkley

[g2vd]

I have to agree with Mini-Godzilla... this movie bores the ever loving shit out of me. One of my least favorite millenium entries.

It's so bad. G98 was bad enough for the Godzilla brand, then this cheesefest came out and sets Godzilla's image back another couple decades. We're just now coming out of that and the big guy is being taken seriously again!

-Barkley

....What? Your telling me G2000 set it back DECADES?! How many decades if it's two than it's 1979 and no G movies were out at that time, so what do you mean it sent it all the way back to the 60s or 70s? If you want films that completely destroy G's reputation watch GVM:TBFE, GVSG, GVKG now you have total cheezefests. how is G2000 such a total cheeseburger of epic proportions it's tone is no different than a early 60s film.

[Dannybeane]

I don't understand this forum some times.

[Giga Kaiju]

Look at what I found today:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Svlng59royU

Awesome. Like looking into a time-machine. Nice find.

[Lain Of The Wired]

What's with everyone hating on this movie all of a sudden, sure it has its problems but I thought it was the best one that came out of the 2000 era, but then again it could just be the nastalgic talking because I saw this on HBO before I saw any Heisei movies when I was a kid (I MIGHT have seen Biollante first IDR)

[UltramanGoji]

It's so bad. G98 was bad enough for the Godzilla brand, then this cheesefest came out and sets Godzilla's image back another couple decades.

What the actual fuck are you talking about? This movie revitalized the goddamn brand in Japan, without it we probably would've had to have waited another five years for another film.

I don't care if you think the movie's bad, but saying that it ruined Godzilla's image is bullshit.

[Rodan]

Re: Above: I get that it leans hard on some of the tongue-in-cheek cheesiness -- incorporating a lot of the wackier '60s elements -- but I think it also does hands-down the best job at modernizing them outside of vs. King Ghidorah, and it's a more solid, approachable film than that. If it's not a particularly smart, relevant movie (something I think more Godzilla films should strive to be, but oh well), it's at least incredibly fun.

Maybe it doubled down on some of the franchise's recognizable "cheesy" elements, but very rarely outside of the Showa films have they been rendered so charming.

I just have zero shade to throw at this entry. It does its job, and does it well.

[szmigiel]

It's so bad. G98 was bad enough for the Godzilla brand, then this cheesefest came out and sets Godzilla's image back another couple decades.

What the actual skreeonk are you talking about? This movie revitalized the goddamn brand in Japan, without it we probably would've had to have waited another five years for another film.

I don't care if you think the movie's bad, but saying that it ruined Godzilla's image is bullshit.

That is partially true it is the 2nd highest attended Millennium film, but it's attendance only matched the lowest attended Heisei film which was Godzilla Vs Biollante. Not sure how well it was received when it first was released, but currently it ranks amongst the least popular films in the franchise. Down at the very bottom with All Monsters Attack and Godzilla Vs Megalon with the Japanese fanbase.

[godzillalives88]

I've always found the charges against the CGI in this movie to be somewhat over exaggerated. I'm not saying it's great, but I remember being impressed with it in the 00's. Moreover, if you look at CGI from American films around the same time, it's not significantly better. The baby zillas in G '98 being a good example.

The CGI's also preferable to the practical alternative in a lot of cases. For example, I'd rather have CGI jets and helicopters that hit their targets than miniatures that shoot aimless firecrackers.

[3000]

I've always found the charges against the CGI in this movie to be somewhat over exaggerated. I'm not saying it's great, but I remember being impressed with it in the 00's. Moreover, if you look at CGI from American films around the same time, it's not significantly better. The baby zillas in G '98 being a good example.

The CGI's also preferable to the practical alternative in a lot of cases. For example, I'd rather have CGI jets and helicopters that hit their targets than miniatures that shoot aimless firecrackers.

I believe the problem is less in the CGI (which WAS pretty bad, but good for its time imo) but the transition from suit to CGI being too jarring of a change in a short time. Didnt blend well, looked worse cause of it.

[g2vd]

I've always found the charges against the CGI in this movie to be somewhat over exaggerated. I'm not saying it's great, but I remember being impressed with it in the 00's. Moreover, if you look at CGI from American films around the same time, it's not significantly better. The baby zillas in G '98 being a good example.

The CGI's also preferable to the practical alternative in a lot of cases. For example, I'd rather have CGI jets and helicopters that hit their targets than miniatures that shoot aimless firecrackers.

Indeed, but actually they weren't really firecrackers those things were actually pretty damn dangerous.

[Ivo-goji]

I tried to rewatch this film recently. The VCR ate my tape ( ._.)

Generally I've had a positive opinion of G2000. It's easily the best Millennium film after GMK and arguably the most accessible. I always liked the human cast and felt it was a waste that subsequent films didn't build on the characters introduced here. Orga is an interesting adversary, though I feel like G2000 could have worked well as a solo Godzilla film. The CCI vs GPN subplot was compelling enough on its own that it could have been the main conflict. Godzilla's destruction scenes are very effective, especially the opening chase; maybe wouldn't have been as entertaining without the other monster, but I'd still pay to see a whole movie like that.

[KaijuFiend]

It's so bad. G98 was bad enough for the Godzilla brand, then this cheesefest came out and sets Godzilla's image back another couple decades. We're just now coming out of that and the big guy is being taken seriously again!

-Barkley

...What the fuck did I just read?

[Spuro]

It's so bad. G98 was bad enough for the Godzilla brand, then this cheesefest came out and sets Godzilla's image back another couple decades. We're just now coming out of that and the big guy is being taken seriously again!

-Barkley

...What the skreeonk did I just read?

Welcome to Toho Kingdom, where every conceivable opinion, no matter how outlandish or unpopular, is a possibility among the population.

[KaijuFiend]

I mean, it's one thing to say you found the film cheesy. I'll agree it has its fair share of cheese. But "sets Godzilla's image back another couple decades"? As far as I know, Godzilla 2000 made Godzilla respectable again in Japan, and wasn't that widely known or talked about in the US. The prevailing opinion of "Godzilla = cheesy" that the US has is primarily based on the Champion-era films getting a lot of airplay in the 80s and 90s. This film is far less cheesy than them, and less cheesy than the 90s Heisei films for that matter. The only Millennium G-film that really out-cheeses the films I mentioned is Final Wars. So I honestly don't understand how Godzilla 2000 harms Godzilla's image in any way.

[Ivo-goji]

Welcome to Toho Kingdom, where every conceivable opinion, no matter how outlandish or unpopular, is a possibility among the population.

Sig'd.

[Barkley]

You guys crack me up! Us older fans knew how to embarrassing and detrimental this movie was. Trust me, anyone over 35 on this forum agrees!

-Barkley