bananaoil wrote:Godzilla Against Mechagodzilla ... The production values were the most consistent.
Got to admit, I haven't watched it for a few years now, but I remember not liking the stiff Godzilla suit, the at-times cartoony CGI, and the average miniature-work.
Final Wars may not represent the serious, gritty Emozilla everyone on this board seems to want, but the film incorporates so much Toho mythology and so perfectly encapsulates 70's Toho that no one can argue the film doesn't represent what Godzilla became near the end of his first series.
Is that a good thing? The 70s Godzilla movies, in spite of how entertaining you and I may find the likes of Terror of Mechagodzilla
, were bad movies, shown by the poor box office figures. Maybe that's why GFW did so disappointingly at the box office.
GMK is where I start to have problems. It meant well, the bulk of its characters are straight out of Mothra vs. Godzilla and Godzilla vs. Gigan, and although I despise the suits the production values were quite high. The biggest problem is that this film tried to force a new message on the Godzilla character that, while on paper might work, fails in execution. This is a botched effort at best, thanks mostly to Toho rushing the project.
I don't understand this. Which characters are similar to those in the movies you mentioned?
I don't know which message you're talking about with regards to GMK. So far as I'm aware, the movie is Kaneko arguing against those in Japan who appear to have forgotten Japan's past and are pushing for a change in the constitution and rearmament. So far as I understand it, Japan has had a similar problem to Germany is the respect that it's decided that the best way to approach it's involvement in World War II is by not discussing it, going as far as to skip past it in history textbooks.
If you're discussing how that's made relevent to Godzilla, i.e., having him spurred on the souls of the Pacific War's dead, it's been covered elsewhere that this new "message" being "forced" on Godzilla is not, in fact, a new message. The idea that Godzilla was motivated in the original movie to attack Japan by the spirits of Japan's war dead is a relatively old and well known one. They probably could and should have made it work better, and as you said that's probably to do with the famously tight Toho production schedule, but to said it "fails" is unfair. It certainly succeeds in explaining why Godzilla is attacking a country that has no history of making or using nuclear weapons with such vemon.
Not to say your opinion is wrong (because it's all subjective), but GMK tends to be appreciated as the best of the Millennium Series, was the best attended at the box office, and I believe is the Millennium movie most often booked by theatres in the US. I had a break from Godzilla for a few years, by no means intentionally, but it was a break nonetheless. I've started watching some again, and find GMK is probably second only to the original movie is terms of quality. It's one of the few Godzilla movies that are genuinely quality movies (i.e., would appeal to those unfamiliar with the genre).
And then you have Megaguirus, which is a Heisei film. A really bad one at that and second only to Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla '93.
Sorry - this is probably my bad - but does that mean you don't like Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla II
? If that's the case, I don't understand why you've rated it lower than the likes of Godzilla vs. Spacegodzilla
and Godzilla (1984)