Is Final Wars Zilla REALLY that weak? (My 2 cents)

[Mechagigan]

I've never understood the major issue with FW Monsters being notably weaker than usual; though it doesn't exactly 'honor' the original characters (especially in cases such as Hedorah or Gigan's), it does make Godzilla look pretty friggin' unstoppable - which, seems to have been the point of the movie, all things considered.

I do think the foes needed a lot more strength, but they fit the roles they were intended for.

[latinothor]

Toho denied the ridiculous idea of kaijus in FW being reduced of any power/strength. What I do recall is Toho mentioning Keizer Guidora being the most powerful of Godzilla's enemies.

Why are the battles short? We would need a much lenghty movie if the complete fights were on film. A lot of the battles are for interpretation, as they are supposed to be cameos only. The Hedora fight for instance, I would presume took a few hours. And I am one of those that believe Zilla survived Godzilla's ray attack (barely and extremely hurt) by burrowing underground.

[Cybermat47]

destroying the Sydney Space Needle

He did a damn good job, too. He destroyed it so much that no-one in Australia has ever heard of this Sydney Space Needle.

[MechaGoji Bro7503]

And I am one of those that believe Zilla survived Godzilla's ray attack (barely and extremely hurt) by burrowing underground.

Yeah I'm pretty sure Zilla's dead, he literally exploded. The only ones that survived are Anguirus, Rodan, and King Ceasar.

[latinothor]

Like I mentioned earlier, the genius of the movie is that a lot is left to interpretation. From the length of the fights, to the outcome.

For instance, the fight between Mothra and Guygun. The disks that decapitated GuyGun were not an accident but a counter attack from Mothra's dust. And Mothra didn't die when she exploded against GuyGun's decapitated body, but turn herself into Fire Mothra. She is shown flying back to Monster Island in the after credits.

Kumonga was once an ally to Godzilla, it is very likely that she survived the landing after Godzilla hurled her away.

Godzilla did not once laid his hands on Anguirus, Caesar or Rodan, he just used them against themselves. Like so, there are endless facts about Godzilla Final Wars, that the viewer comes out with something new everytime they watch the movie, much like the graphic novel Watchmen by Alan Moore.

[GodzillaFan1990's]

No. It was just Godzilla was ridicously powerful when compared to most of the monsters in the movie with the exception of Monster X/Keizer Ghidorah because Toho obviously wanted to show "He's da King! No one can top him!!!!"

That and the fight that Toho did was out of spite in response to the 1998 film which even then they approved of in the first place.

[Cybermat47]

Kumonga was once an ally to Godzilla, it is very likely that she survived the landing after Godzilla hurled her away.

When was this? The only time I remember Kumonga being Godzilla's ally was DAM, which isn't part of FW's continuity.

Godzilla did not once laid his hands on Anguirus, Caesar or Rodan, he just used them against themselves.

A deleted scene had Godzilla then burning them all to death.

http://www.tohokingdom.com/cutting_room ... .htm#drakc

[LSD Jellyfish]

The instant the person that necroposted the thread said Guygun you should've stopped taking anything he said seriously. Obvious troll. All the stuff like Kumonga being an ally just adds to that.

[Cybermat47]

The instant the person that necroposted the thread said Guygun you should've stopped taking anything he said seriously. Obvious troll. All the stuff like Kumonga being an ally just adds to that.

This is the Godzilla fanbase we're talking about, remember?

[Zarm]

That and the fight that Toho did was out of spite in response to the 1998 film which even then they approved of in the first place.

You can approve someone to make something and then still think it sucks when they deliver the final project. In fact, most creative work (including my own job) involves the commissioning client gutting all the work you did and asking you to completely remake it because your first stab at it was nothing like anything they wanted.

Only with '98, the 'first draft' they got eyes on after commissioning it was the one in theaters... which was, based on Toho's track record of how they portray Godzilla, pretty much nothing like anything they wanted.

[latinothor]

When was this? The only time I remember Kumonga being Godzilla's ally was DAM, which isn't part of FW's continuity.

This is it exactly.

As stated by the prior poster, all intellectual work goes through much editing. Yes, I was aware of the draft you menioned of Godzilla killing his old allies. As I am sure there were numerous changes that Kitamura possibly added to the initial draft.

And to the guy stating I might be some type of 'troll', I am not. And to the subject of my usage of the name Guygun as opposed to calling him Gigan, all I can say is that you might have to look far into some Japanese websites.

[SpaceG92]

When was this? The only time I remember Kumonga being Godzilla's ally was DAM, which isn't part of FW's continuity.

This is it exactly.

Kumonga being an "ally" in an entirely separate continuity to the movie were talking about now shouldn't have even been brought up. Its a dead point. At the end of day, Kumonga was just a foe that launched over the skyline - after stopping for a few frames and speeding up mid throw.

[Chris55]

Godzilla did not once laid his hands on Anguirus, Caesar or Rodan, he just used them against themselves.

He did a foot launch off of Anguirus' head and "guide" KC along. But, that's splitting hairs a little.

[latinothor]

He did a foot launch off of Anguirus' head and "guide" KC along. But, that's splitting hairs a little.

Probably, one of the funniest battles in the Godzilla Saga

[Kaiju-Killer 751]

destroying the Sydney Space Needle

He did a damn good job, too. He destroyed it so much that no-one in Australia has ever heard of this Sydney Space Needle.

Sorry, I had a brain fart and typed Space Needle; I meant the Sydney Tower.

[Billzilla1974]

GFW Zilla, going by on screen feats, is weak. Sure, it didn't die to a few missiles like the first Zilla, but I don't recall it ever taking on the GDF.
Meanwhile Rodan and Anguirus were winning against the GDF ships without much trouble, not to mention Rodan and Anguirus were each able to get a brief hit on Godzilla.

[mikelcho]

destroying the Sydney Space Needle

He did a damn good job, too. He destroyed it so much that no-one in Australia has ever heard of this Sydney Space Needle.

Sorry, I had a brain fart and typed Space Needle; I meant the Sydney Tower.

Actually, it's the Sydney Opera House.

[Cybermat47]

He did a damn good job, too. He destroyed it so much that no-one in Australia has ever heard of this Sydney Space Needle.

Sorry, I had a brain fart and typed Space Needle; I meant the Sydney Tower.

Actually, it's the Sydney Opera House.

Nope, Centre Point Tower and the Opera House are completely different.

[mikelcho]

Okay, now I get it! I remember the Opera House, but not the Centre Point Tower. Where did it come in in the film?

[GigaBowserG]

Okay, now I get it! I remember the Opera House, but not the Centre Point Tower. Where did it come in in the film?

Right as the monsters begin their first assault on the planet. The very first shot of Sydney shows the tower coming down, followed by Zilla's reveal.