Did Toho make Zilla look horrible on purpose in FW?

[Starsteam]

Didn't they scan a G98 Trendmasters toy for their Zilla CGI model?
I mean it does look like some of the Godzilla 98 toys.

[Godzilla2004fan]

I don't think Toho had the intention.

[Destoroyah of Worlds]

I don't think they meant to. They had so many monsters in that movie and action scenes, that the budget was already stretched thin.

Japan CGI wasn't the best at that time either.

All the monster fights except the Gigan fights and Monster X/Ghidorah fight seem more like cameos and aren't choreographed the best.

[Terasawa]

Did Toho make Godzilla look horrible on purpose in the Millennium Series?

[Stump Feet]

Dude, stop acting so elitist, those are easily the most kino sequences from the entire Millennium era.

American CGI couldn't compare to that, look at Mortal Kombat for example.

[Terasawa]

Just remember these are better special effects than anything Eiji Tsuburaya ever accomplished.

[Stump Feet]

How could I ever forget

At least you can't see the strings, ammiright?

[Vakanai]

Looking at the other CGI character models and scenes Toho did at the time, no, no they didn't make Zilla look horrible on purpose, that was legitimately the best CGI they could do at the time. But to be fair, sure their CG during the Millennium films was horrible, but most low budget CG at the time was. They didn't have Hollywood money to throw at these films, and back then you needed Hollywood money to do really respectable CG. It's not like today where some CW show like the Flash can pull off a pretty decent Gorilla Grodd vs King Shark monster fight.

On the other hand, look how far Toho has come since those films with Shin. If they were doing Final Wars today Zilla would look much better - hell, he might even look better than he did in the 98 Sony film.

[Stump Feet]

Ha, its pretty funny hearing you talk like the CGI in Godzilla 1998 was even remotely good.

[GojiDog]

I would say yes, except I saw what their own Godzilla looked like in CGI for underwater scenes in G2K and GXM, and I saw what CGI Ghidorah looked like in GMK, and I saw what CGI Manda looked like in the very same film. None of those examples looked great either.

Actually, of all those examples, the FW Zilla might be the best CGI creature from the Millennium series.

[HillyHulk]

If I remember (I heard this from Death Battle), Zilla was there specifically for a strike back against the sucky version of Godzilla. So yes, this was on purpose.

[Destoroyah of Worlds]

If I remember (I heard this from Death Battle), Zilla was there specifically for a strike back against the sucky version of Godzilla. So yes, this was on purpose.

That's always just been a rumor. If they really hated Godzilla 98, they wouldn't have included his species in Final Wars or allowed him in the IDW comics.

Most of the fights in Godzilla Final Wars were short cameos, Zilla was nothing different. Most of the CGI in the Millennium series was bad, Zilla wasn't anything different. If they had a better budget and CGI was better at the time, they probably would have made his cameo look respectable.

Godzilla vs. The America Godzilla would have had huge international appeal if they had spent more time with the idea and not resorted it to a footnote.

[szmigiel]

BH: Now let’s move on to Zilla and the use of the American Godzilla. Was Zilla already a part of that, or was that something you collaborated on?

RK: It was not, but Tomiyama-san told me that we could use the Hollywood Godzilla. So I was like, “Oh, is it OK? We can use it?” “We are 100% OK.” Then that’s the thing that everybody wants to see – Japan versus America – so why don’t we do it? I really wish now I would have made that scene much longer. But again, I had to pick and choose all kinds of things. So I just made the decision that if I cannot do a full round, let’s just end it quick so that at least it gets a big laugh. So I made it like that.

BH: So you never had any intentions at the time to make it something serious. It was always meant to be a punch line once you decided that you had to keep things kind of short.

RK: Yes, because obviously, with that many monsters, we cannot really show everything like full-round fights. I had to pick and choose.

[Destoroyah of Worlds]

BH: Now let’s move on to Zilla and the use of the American Godzilla. Was Zilla already a part of that, or was that something you collaborated on?

RK: It was not, but Tomiyama-san told me that we could use the Hollywood Godzilla. So I was like, “Oh, is it OK? We can use it?” “We are 100% OK.” Then that’s the thing that everybody wants to see – Japan versus America – so why don’t we do it? I really wish now I would have made that scene much longer. But again, I had to pick and choose all kinds of things. So I just made the decision that if I cannot do a full round, let’s just end it quick so that at least it gets a big laugh. So I made it like that.

BH: So you never had any intentions at the time to make it something serious. It was always meant to be a punch line once you decided that you had to keep things kind of short.

RK: Yes, because obviously, with that many monsters, we cannot really show everything like full-round fights. I had to pick and choose.

Well, that's that. He wanted to make it longer, but his hands were tied. So he was forced to make it a joke or not do it at all.

[Fish Cakes]

Ryuhei Kitamura only directed FW, the interview also makes seem like he specifically requested to use the '98 design as a new kaiju and the higher-ups didn't care at that point.

I think ultimately the hate for '98 from Toho is greatly over-exaggerated, they probably have just totally moved on from it on an executive level. It does have a lingering presence with most people who are fans of the franchise and how those who aren't perceive it though, for that reason I personally really dislike '98 and Zilla.

[Terasawa]

Ryuhei Kitamura only directed FW

Well he also co-wrote it, and he apparently had more control in the director's chair than most of Toho's in-house directors did, so I don't think you can just write off his contribution as "he was only the director."

[Fish Cakes]

The more you know! I appreciate the correction and information. c:

[darkcancer]

Didn't they scan a G98 Trendmasters toy for their Zilla CGI model?
I mean it does look like some of the Godzilla 98 toys.

I vaguely recall that story too. I mean they probably weren't gonna spend a bunch of time or money on the Zilla CGI if they already knew it was more of a punchline.

Here it is:
http://www.scifijapan.com/articles/2011 ... -toy-line/

[Gigantis]

Didn't they scan a G98 Trendmasters toy for their Zilla CGI model?
I mean it does look like some of the Godzilla 98 toys.

I vaguely recall that story too. I mean they probably weren't gonna spend a bunch of time or money on the Zilla CGI if they already knew it was more of a punchline.

Here it is:
http://www.scifijapan.com/articles/2011 ... -toy-line/

yeah it's comifrmed that's the method they used to make the Model. then again isn't that how a lot of people do it? you take the maqquete or other object then scan it into the computer?

[darkcancer]

Actually I have no idea how that process works. I was under the impression that scanning wasn't the most precise in the early 2000s or before and that just creating a 3D model would be easier. Then again, I'm sure that technology wasn't the best in the early 2000s either (compared to seeing some of the 3D models our very own are putting out in the Fan Art section).