Talkback: Godzilla Final Wars (2004)
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This would explain why most of the monsters in the film we're from the Showa era.
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Read through all the articles and I will applaud the author on excellent research and reference links. It was a nice overview to the very chaotic nature in which Toho made the Millennium series of films. For most of the films he kept to the information and gave some personal opinion on each film. That changed with the overview of Final Wars where his opinions become a larger part of the over all article and his loathing of the film took over the article.
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I actually found the articles heavily steeped in his biased, cliched opinions ('GMK is the best because it's dark and arty, the rest suck because they aren't GMK')- by X Mechagodzilla, I literally couldn't read his out-of-touch bashing any longer. Well-researched, but far too biased. Just facts would've been much preferable.
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Godzilla killing Zilla has got to be the best "Omae wa oun shindeiru" of them all
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I think maybe the best moment in the film.MechaGoji Bro7503 wrote:Godzilla killing Zilla has got to be the best "Omae wa oun shindeiru" of them all
Too bad there wasn't too many of those...
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The maker of this review is someone I have talked about Godzilla in the past. Him and I we are each on the opposite side of the spectrum when it comes to Godzilla: Final Wars. While he dislikes the movie, I absolutely love it!
When I was aware of the times he was making reviews for the Millenium series, I knew he would be biased in his opinion of Final Wars, and I wasn't wrong. There was a time he really enjoyed Final Wars, but his perception changed over time (sadly), as he is a steemed person and very knowledgeable nonetheless.
Still, in my opinion, Godzilla: Final Wars is one of the best Godzilla movies ever. Way ahead of its time. I share this opinion with people like James Rolfe from Godzillathon.
When I was aware of the times he was making reviews for the Millenium series, I knew he would be biased in his opinion of Final Wars, and I wasn't wrong. There was a time he really enjoyed Final Wars, but his perception changed over time (sadly), as he is a steemed person and very knowledgeable nonetheless.
Still, in my opinion, Godzilla: Final Wars is one of the best Godzilla movies ever. Way ahead of its time. I share this opinion with people like James Rolfe from Godzillathon.
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You know it's actually kinda funnyMechaGoji Bro7503 wrote:Godzilla killing Zilla has got to be the best "Omae wa oun shindeiru" of them all
While fans love to laugh at this scene myself included and take it as a attempt to show the true Godzilla (Though it wasn't)
When you think about it Zilla and by definition the 98 Godzilla actually received more respect in this film then most of the monsters in the film
He got a licensed American Song, multiple destruction scenes with length on par with Rodan and the Angurius destruction scenes, and had a Roar Off with Godzilla which was only shared with the former two monsters
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What's the budget for this film adjusted for inflation? Toho spent $19.5 million on it in 2004.
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About $26 mill. (Google is your friend).kamilleblu wrote:What's the budget for this film adjusted for inflation? Toho spent $19.5 million on it in 2004.
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Thanks and forgive me.Maritonic wrote:About $26 mill. (Google is your friend).kamilleblu wrote:What's the budget for this film adjusted for inflation? Toho spent $19.5 million on it in 2004.
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Oh I meant that for me haha. I never would have figured that out if it wasn't for google lolkamilleblu wrote:Thanks and forgive me.Maritonic wrote:About $26 mill. (Google is your friend).kamilleblu wrote:What's the budget for this film adjusted for inflation? Toho spent $19.5 million on it in 2004.
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Ah. Alright. And the budget for Final Wars did not translate to the screen. For the sake of comparison, Gamera: Guardian of the Universe was $4.5 million in 1995 and Shin Godzilla was $15 million in 2016.
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Well, I suspect that a lot of that budget went to staging elaborate sequences involving the human characters, and to the sheer number of sets and costumes involved.kamilleblu wrote:Ah. Alright. And the budget for Final Wars did not translate to the screen. For the sake of comparison, Gamera: Guardian of the Universe was $4.5 million in 1995 and Shin Godzilla was $15 million in 2016.
But, really, I'd say this is evidence of how much more valuable time can be than money in making a movie. Careful planning can allow you to get a lot more bang for your buck.
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Final Wars also had filming outside of Japan, which isn't cheap.kamilleblu wrote:Ah. Alright. And the budget for Final Wars did not translate to the screen. For the sake of comparison, Gamera: Guardian of the Universe was $4.5 million in 1995 and Shin Godzilla was $15 million in 2016.
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Comparing the budget and converting it to US dollars isn't so easy. The Japanese yen was devalued significantly under the current Prime Minister from economic policy. Further, Japan's currency before Abe's current administration was relatively stagnant compared to US dollar inflation.
That is partially how Godzilla or other big Japanese movie budgets don't look that different from, say, 1991 to 2001 to 2011 whereas comparable Hollywood movies continually have gotten more expensive (to say nothing about the CGI angle). Unfortunately Japan's modern economy has been built on a never-ending roller coaster of bubble to burst which messes with the currency, but that's for another topic.
That is partially how Godzilla or other big Japanese movie budgets don't look that different from, say, 1991 to 2001 to 2011 whereas comparable Hollywood movies continually have gotten more expensive (to say nothing about the CGI angle). Unfortunately Japan's modern economy has been built on a never-ending roller coaster of bubble to burst which messes with the currency, but that's for another topic.
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What continuity does Godzilla: Final Wars take place in?
The Millenium series is quite well known for each movie being a direct sequel to the original 1954 film.
But does Final Wars also fall into that category?
I feel it does not. It's clearly a late sequel to the Showa era as a whole.
The case and evidence for this all occurs within the movie. Stock footage of movies from the Showa era is used to evoke flashbacks. Many of the monsters from The Showa Era show up in the movie, many of those not seen since that time. Anguirus, Gigan, King Caesar, Hedorah, Ebirah, Kumonga and Kamakuras.
Also, when they are in the science facility with the fossilized Gigan, the newspaper article they read from has a picture of Shobijin from a Showa era Mothra movie and seems to be an article referencing events from that movie.
So my timeline is something like this.
Godzilla (1954)
Terror of Mechagodzilla (1975)
Destroy All Monsters - Movie events in 1999
Godzilla: Final Wars - (Somewhere after 2004)
But does Final Wars also fall into that category?
I feel it does not. It's clearly a late sequel to the Showa era as a whole.
The case and evidence for this all occurs within the movie. Stock footage of movies from the Showa era is used to evoke flashbacks. Many of the monsters from The Showa Era show up in the movie, many of those not seen since that time. Anguirus, Gigan, King Caesar, Hedorah, Ebirah, Kumonga and Kamakuras.
Also, when they are in the science facility with the fossilized Gigan, the newspaper article they read from has a picture of Shobijin from a Showa era Mothra movie and seems to be an article referencing events from that movie.
So my timeline is something like this.
Godzilla (1954)
Terror of Mechagodzilla (1975)
Destroy All Monsters - Movie events in 1999
Godzilla: Final Wars - (Somewhere after 2004)
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Isn't this GLARINGLY obvious....? Like. Glaringly? The entire film is a tribute to the Showa era...the monsters are all well known.Jeff-Goldblum1 wrote:It's clearly a late sequel to the Showa era as a whole.
Again, not sure why yet another post like this needs it's own thread when this EASILY could have been in the Final Wars Thread.
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Re: What continuity does Godzilla: Final Wars take place in?
No it's not. This version of Godzilla is completely different from Showa Godzilla. Earth has explicitly never encountered aliens before. The status quo completely contradicts the ending of DAM. No one knows who Gigan is. Earth's kaiju all have a common origin that flies in the face of their Showa series backstories. The tone and storytelling sense is radically incongruous with the Showa series.
What's more, the early drafts for Final Wars had the movie set in the Heisei series, which would be somewhat more consistent (ie Godzilla's spiral ray) but still raises a bunch of questions...
Final Wars works neither as a literal sequel nor as a spiritual successor to the Showa series, it's 100% doing its own thing.
What's more, the early drafts for Final Wars had the movie set in the Heisei series, which would be somewhat more consistent (ie Godzilla's spiral ray) but still raises a bunch of questions...
Final Wars works neither as a literal sequel nor as a spiritual successor to the Showa series, it's 100% doing its own thing.
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There’s no continuity with any previous film. It’s an over-the-top celebration of the franchise as a whole. And also kung-fu, for some reason.
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Re: What continuity does Godzilla: Final Wars take place in?
That's kind of an over-simplification. The only requirement was that each entry acknowledge (more-or-less) the events of the original movie, but beyond that they were pretty much free to acknowledge or ignore anything else.Jeff-Goldblum1 wrote:The Millenium series is quite well known for each movie being a direct sequel to the original 1954 film.
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