Talkback: Godzilla Final Wars (2004)

[Goji]

Oh please man, don't take me seriously here. I'm just here to have fun and chat movies.

Eabaker was just trying to keep the conversation going, (in other words "chat movies"). Isn't that what you want? You kind of contradicted yourself there.

[godzilla5417]

Final Wars is the pinnacle of cinema!

[Saansilt]

I don't see it as exactly that. What makes you reach that opinion?

[Monster Zero]

Does anyone know who the dubbing actor for Keizer is? I love his voice and his laugh, and I'd love to know the dubbing actors name.

[godzilla5417]

I think this movie was a perfect ending to the entire franchise, combining everything great from every Godzilla movie.

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I don't see it as exactly that. What makes you reach that opinion?

I was joking, while it is one of my top three favorite Godzilla movies, it's not a perfect movie by any means and has several flaws.I think that the director really accomplished what he had originally set out to do, and that is make one hell of an action movie featuring Godzilla and other famous Toho monsters that does not take it's self to seriously.The only other film I can even think of comparing Final Wars to would be Redline which is an anime and Mad Max Fury Road , these movies capture lighting in a bottle even if they are not perfect.Just a side note I generally hate hollywood action films that are all senseless explosions.

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Does anyone know who the dubbing actor for Keizer is? I love his voice and his laugh, and I'd love to know the dubbing actors name.

Yeah the dub for Final Wars is pretty good, unfortunately I have no clue who voiced him, sorry!

[Zarm]

So a large debate in the FMs right now seems appropriate here- the Freezing Maser on Gotengo. Was it a general kaiju-killer, equivalent to Absolute Zero on Kiryu? Does it have limitations by 'weight class' (i.e. It couldn't have killed Godzilla or Ghidorah, but maybe Ebirah or a Kamacuras...)? Was Manda's destruction an outlier/fluke of the circumstances? Does its lack of use in the entire rest of the movie (even by its sister ships, since I believe Gotengo's was damaged and offline) constitute any evidence that it wasn't; else the various kaiju wouldn't have been much of a threat? Could they each have been/still be one-shotted (or a-few-shotted) and destroyed like Manda was?

In short, how powerful or limited WAS the Freezing Maser?

[Goji]

I mean, does anyone really know? Maybe it's explored in one of the Japanese books, but we don't have a lot of people able to translate those around these parts.

Does anyone know who the dubbing actor for Keizer is? I love his voice and his laugh, and I'd love to know the dubbing actors name.

Rik Thomas. He's the only Hong Kong dubber who carried over from some of the '80's and '90s HK dubs.

[GigaBowserG]

So a large debate in the FMs right now seems appropriate here- the Freezing Maser on Gotengo. Was it a general kaiju-killer, equivalent to Absolute Zero on Kiryu? Does it have limitations by 'weight class' (i.e. It couldn't have killed Godzilla or Ghidorah, but maybe Ebirah or a Kamacuras...)? Was Manda's destruction an outlier/fluke of the circumstances? Does its lack of use in the entire rest of the movie (even by its sister ships, since I believe Gotengo's was damaged and offline) constitute any evidence that it wasn't; else the various kaiju wouldn't have been much of a threat? Could they each have been/still be one-shotted (or a-few-shotted) and destroyed like Manda was?

In short, how powerful or limited WAS the Freezing Maser?

I'm about 99% confident the director nor the writers thought (or cared) about how strong the maser was, and only made it to be a fancy move to take down Manda

[Dawsbfiremind]

So a large debate in the FMs right now seems appropriate here- the Freezing Maser on Gotengo. Was it a general kaiju-killer, equivalent to Absolute Zero on Kiryu? Does it have limitations by 'weight class' (i.e. It couldn't have killed Godzilla or Ghidorah, but maybe Ebirah or a Kamacuras...)? Was Manda's destruction an outlier/fluke of the circumstances? Does its lack of use in the entire rest of the movie (even by its sister ships, since I believe Gotengo's was damaged and offline) constitute any evidence that it wasn't; else the various kaiju wouldn't have been much of a threat? Could they each have been/still be one-shotted (or a-few-shotted) and destroyed like Manda was?

In short, how powerful or limited WAS the Freezing Maser?

I'm about 99% confident the director nor the writers thought (or cared) about how strong the maser was, and only made it to be a fancy move to take down Manda

Probably, given they never used it again in-film.

[LamangoKaijura]

I just remembered, GFW bombed so hard Bandai didn't even bother making the rest of the monsters in their toyline.

[Kaijunator]

I just remembered, GFW bombed so hard Bandai didn't even bother making the rest of the monsters in their toyline.

No Zilla, Kumonga, Kamacuras, King Caesar, Hedorah, or Ebirah for you!

One year later
Bandai dude 1: "Yo, they still begging for the other kaiju!"
Bandai dude 2: "Ok, we'll make them. Hedorah, Ebirah, and King Caesar will be in the Ultimate Monsters line! No Zilla, Kumonga, or Kamacuras!"

If NECA got the license for other kaiju and/or Tamashii got a divorce with its precious Heisei, I would hope they do Zilla, Kumonga, and Kamacuras. A cloaked Kamacuras would be pretty cool.

[Mechagigan]

The biggest loss concerning Final Wars was that they never made an MMS Zilla figure.

Some day, my love.

[Mr_Goji_and_Watch]

This movie is better than the Showa movies that inspired it tbh.

[LamangoKaijura]

This movie is better than the Showa movies that inspired it tbh.

That's like, saying a turd was better then the liquid shit you just took, Scoob.

[Goji]

This movie is better than the Showa movies that inspired it tbh.

Haha, yeah okay. Favoritism aside, this POS is not better than all 15 Showa films. That's absurd. Higher production values than the '70s films, sure, but it still somehow manages to be less an enjoyable than all of them by so many people who don't favor Showa films. Why do you think that is?

[Lain Of The Wired]

This movie is better than the Showa movies that inspired it tbh.

That's the biggest joke I've heard in a long time. Gigantis the Fire Monsters a better film than this

[latinothor]

Imo Godzilla Final Wars is a masterpiece, and ahead of its time.
It has all the good, and the bad of the franchise.
Most quotable G-film, an egocentric villain that reminds a certain president, Gigan, captain Gordon, good music, and a roller coaster of absolute fun!
While my favorite G-movie is the 1954 Godzilla, Final Wars is my second favorite (Shin might probably be third), and a great ending to the franchise.

1954 Godzilla is The Godfather, with a serious tone. An absolute masterpiece.
Godzilla Final Wars is the Scarface of the franchise. With over the top action and not trying to take itself too seriously. It's a movie that ages well, and one that I find myself watching it again over the years.

Cheers to Godzilla!

[Gojira18]

My 4th favorite Godzilla film of them all. So much fun to watch and a childhood favorite

[Tohosaurus]

I could be remembering incorrectly, but I think I remember when FW was basically despised by all in this forum.

Interesting that there's more arrays of opinions now.

[Mechagigan]

I could be remembering incorrectly, but I think I remember when FW was basically despised by all in this forum.

Interesting that there's more arrays of opinions now.

Wasn't that long ago. I was a lurker back then - as someone who's pretty 50/50 on FW, it was almost funny to see it so vehemently hated.

I think there being new content to compare it to kind of lessens the load. That, along with new fans altogether, time healing 'wounds' etc. Same with G'98.