Theories on the potential Heisei Kong

[Zentenk]

Sorry, the more popular Kong was 50ft tall, not this Toho Kong.

Goji obviously can't read. I said provide in film facts, not oh it was someone's favorite/most popular. Whatever, people only see King Kong surface for air and try to swim back to his island. That is a "victory" I guess, some people count Godzilla out so easily like he got his face smashed in underwater... HAHAHA that is hillarious. They only provide out of film reasons, about popularity and underdog talk. If you see two animals fight in the wild, and one leaves... who won? THANK YOU, Godzilla... still owning his territory.

[Dr. Nishiyama]

Sorry, the more popular Kong was 50ft tall, not this Toho Kong.

Goji obviously can't read. I said provide in film facts, not oh it was someone's favorite/most popular. Whatever, people only see King Kong surface for air and try to swim back to his island. That is a "victory" I guess, some people count Godzilla out so easily like he got his face smashed in underwater... HAHAHA that is hillarious. They only provide out of film reasons, about popularity and underdog talk. If you see two animals fight in the wild, and one leaves... who won? THANK YOU, Godzilla... still owning his territory.

You said you wanted proof? In Toho's OWN theatrical program they state Kong was the winner. Toho and the filmmakers have always stated Kong was the winner. This isn't a matter of what monster you like better (I love Godzilla way more than Kong btw), it's just going by the facts stated by the company and people who made the movie.

[Goji]

Obviously, you've proven that selective reading is how your operate, Zentenk. Not my problem.

[Zentenk]

Sorry, the more popular Kong was 50ft tall, not this Toho Kong.

Goji obviously can't read. I said provide in film facts, not oh it was someone's favorite/most popular. Whatever, people only see King Kong surface for air and try to swim back to his island. That is a "victory" I guess, some people count Godzilla out so easily like he got his face smashed in underwater... HAHAHA that is hillarious. They only provide out of film reasons, about popularity and underdog talk. If you see two animals fight in the wild, and one leaves... who won? THANK YOU, Godzilla... still owning his territory.

You said you wanted proof? In Toho's OWN theatrical program they state Kong was the winner. Toho and the filmmakers have always stated Kong was the winner. This isn't a matter of what monster you like better (I love Godzilla way more than Kong btw), it's just going by the facts stated by the company and people who made the god damn movie.

Umm.. maybe they should have put forth a better effort of showing that win. Godzilla vs Anguirus for example, that is a win. King Kong swimming away, to an island he has no idea where it is? That just shows to me, and everyone else, King Kong survived. Godzilla survived also, as nothing killed him in this film, nothing stopped him. He was hip tossed and stood straight back up moments before tumbling off a cliff. What sticks out, to show the win? What about that ending proves to you that he wins? So, I have to go look up some quote from the film creator on who won? That just shows how trivial it is.

If they had included electric shocks in the water, that would have flipped it totally in King Kongs favor, but that didn't happen. The island shook, I'm guessing Godzilla burrowed into it as King Kong swam away.

So, the Heisei King Kong would lose, King Kong is 50 ft tall and would get smashed. Now if they make King Kong vs American Godzilla that would be more accurate.

[GodzillaDude]

Sorry, the more popular Kong was 50ft tall, not this Toho Kong.

Goji obviously can't read. I said provide in film facts, not oh it was someone's favorite/most popular. Whatever, people only see King Kong surface for air and try to swim back to his island. That is a "victory" I guess, some people count Godzilla out so easily like he got his face smashed in underwater... HAHAHA that is hillarious. They only provide out of film reasons, about popularity and underdog talk. If you see two animals fight in the wild, and one leaves... who won? THANK YOU, Godzilla... still owning his territory.

Yeah but it was still a version of King Kong which is way it made the box office killing that it did. I said it realistically was a draw more than anything. Kong surfaces and Godzilla supposedly retreated/swam away.

[PopInPicsPresents]

We've got ourselves quite the fanboy don't we?

Okay, first order of business, the original King Kong is about 25 feet tall, not 50

Second, Godzilla lost. Get that through your head. King Kong rose out of the water, Godzilla was no where to be seen. He either swam or burrowed away. Point being he retreated. That makes Kong the winner.

[Sydney Aradi]

Can someone lock this thread if this whole Kong vs Godzilla debate gets extremely heated?

[Rody]

Zentenk, you say that the Kong in this film isn't the "real" Kong, because the original was only 25 feet tall. Using that logic, I could say that Heisei Godzilla isn't the real Godzilla because the original was only 50 meters tall, and the Heisei design is 100 meters tall. Do you see what I'm saying?
Although there may be differences in story, size and appearance, in the end the character is the same.

[Zentenk]

So therefore American Godzilla is also the real Godzilla. No longer shall he be called GINO.

[Kaiju-King42]

^ ...He has a point there.

[heiseiGfan]

So therefore American Godzilla is also the real Godzilla. No longer shall he be called GINO.

So wanted to say something like that but I thought that quite a few would disagree.

[Zentenk]

Also, forgive me for making it so heated. I really enjoy the movie and the ending is very open for interpretation. King Kong swimming away can be taken as retreat in my eyes also.

I'm sure you can understand the point about people bashing the American Godzilla, but then they accept Toho's King Kong as if it were the real King Kong. This was my original argument that the real King Kong could not compare to Godzilla. That is why I would not like a Heisei King Kong, because it would be another fake. Would any of you accept another American Godzilla?

[PopInPicsPresents]

So therefore American Godzilla is also the real Godzilla. No longer shall he be called GINO.

Yeah, it is. Because it's a different incarnation of the character doesn't make him a different monster.

[Sydney Aradi]

@Zenny As long as the 2nd American Godzilla is somewhat faithful to the core esscence of the original Japanese Godzilla and not be some mutated iguana then sure

[Rody]

So therefore American Godzilla is also the real Godzilla. No longer shall he be called GINO.

Yeah, it is. Because it's a different incarnation of the character doesn't make him a different monster.

Of course, there's a lot more that's wrong with GINO than just how big he is.

[Legion1979]

One of the funnier things about this fandom are angry younger fans who just can't deal with the fact that Kong could actually be a match for their hero. It's hilarious.

[DoctorMafune]

Given that battles between monsters don't have rules about what constitutes a victory and what doesn't, there will always be arguments like this.

I agree that at the end of KKvG, it wouldn't make any sense story-wise for anything to happen except for Kong to win. Godzilla was the villain, and this is hardly the kind of film where the 'bad guy' can be allowed to prevail.

But people offended by the idea that their preferred monster 'lost' can always point out, rightly, that unless Kong was killed underwater or drowned, he would have to surface, and he's swimming away, which leaves some doubt as to just what happened down there. Still, there's no sign of Godzilla surfacing or pursuing him, and (as far as we know), Godzilla doesn't come ashore again, either, until the typhoon in MvG decides that issue for him. It wouldn't make a whole lot of sense for Godzilla to let the damned ape get away unless he's in no shape to do anything about it.

In a boxing or MMA match, someone either wins on points or wins when the other guy is either down and can't get back up, or can't defend himself any longer. There's no equivalent set of rules here to define what constitutes a win. If Ghidorah or Gigan stops fighting and flies away, while the other monsters are still standing their ground, almost anyone would have to agree that the monster that left the battlefield lost. But in KKvG, there's no such clarity... so those of us who don't mind our favorite monster taking a pounding early in his career will never convince the other guys by appealing to the integrity of the story, Godzilla's uncharacteristic lack of follow-though, and Toho's own description of the ending. They're more than enough evidence for me, though.

[Giga Kaiju]

Alright, if you want proof here you go.

Kong was hitting Godzilla with something he was weak with.

Kong was the hero character in the film.

The staff were huge Kong fans.

If Godzilla won, they more than likely would've shown him winning.

In all official materials, it's stated Kong won.

Godzilla was unconscious and presumed dead in the original Mothra vs. Godzilla script.

Kong was more popular at the time than Godzilla was.

Kong was the underdog, you don't kill off the underdog.

Had Kong lost, Godzilla more than likely would've gone to the surface and straight to Japan.

This is enough reasons of why Kong deserved/Needed/ to win.

Also at first i didnt like the idea of Kong Beating Godzilla but the more i think about it. He was
supposed to win and the more "Famous" monster at the time so there you go.

[SuperSaiyan4Godzilla]

One of the funnier things about this fandom are angry younger fans who just can't deal with the fact that Kong could actually be a match for their hero. It's hilarious.

I want to write a cunning retort to this, but instead, I'll be immature and be a younger fan.

[Megalon-5]

This is enough reasons of why Kong deserved/Needed/ to win.

Also at first i didnt like the idea of Kong Beating Godzilla but the more i think about it. He was
supposed to win and the more "Famous" monster at the time so there you go.

I was lucky enough to be both a Kong and Godzilla fan as a kid so I didn't really care who won. I was just happy to see the movie after looking for it for years. But now, I do think they made the right choice for Kong winning. As much as I love Godzilla, having him win in the film just seems a bit off to me