How come Anguirus was not in the Heisi series?

[SuperSaiyan4Godzilla]

He seemed to have a really hard time finding ways to make flying monsters actually look alive.

And that's the reason why, no matter how great the Heisei Rodan or adult Mothra may have hypothetically looked, to me they're still far below par compared to the 1956 Rodan or 1964 Mothra. I don't even have a huge problem with the design of the 1991 King Ghidora, but it's not brought to life even half as well as Tsuburaya's was. To me, design and execution go hand in hand. Even the best-looking suit or prop is going to come off looking like ass if it's not handled right. And THAT'S the biggest issue I have with the Heisei monsters. Great ideas, good designs and solid construction...but piss poor execution.

Aside from Godzilla and Biollante.

I have to separate design and execution. If I took them hand-in-hand, I'd honestly dislike most of the Showa series. I could care less about half of the designs and ideas of the time, but the execution is what makes it half-way entertaining to me.

Anything after Hedorah (hell, even Hedorah has some issues in my book) just fail in terms of design and execution. Spare Gigan and Titanosaurus.

I love the MechaGodzilla Showa design but its execution is God awful in my book.

[Legion1979]

I love the MechaGodzilla Showa design but its execution is God awful in my book.

I don't see how it's any worse than the Heisei version, which does little more than stand around shooting beams and has no personality whatsoever. What exactly about the execution of the original Mechagodzilla do you think is so God awful?

[Godzilla 2000]

I love the MechaGodzilla Showa design but its execution is God awful in my book.

I don't see how it's any worse than the Heisei version, which does little more than stand around shooting beams and has no personality whatsoever. What exactly about the execution of the original Mechagodzilla do you think is so God awful?

I'm gonna have to agree with this.

I mean, he's a robot, so it makes sense for him to just be a static prop.

[SuperSaiyan4Godzilla]

I love the MechaGodzilla Showa design but its execution is God awful in my book.

I don't see how it's any worse than the Heisei version, which does little more than stand around shooting beams and has no personality whatsoever. What exactly about the execution of the original Mechagodzilla do you think is so God awful?

Heisei MechaGodzilla and Showa MechaGodzilla do just about the same thing: stand and shoot. MechaGodzilla Showa may move about a bit more, but it's just about the same in my eyes.

My issue with the MechaGodzilla Showa execution is the suit. I think being made of metal hinders the suit. I realize that their options might have been limited at the time. But the metal makes the suit stiff in my eyes.

In terms of personality...I don't see either having a personality. I don't really think most of the monsters in the films have distinct personalities. They mostly seem like silent protagonists on which we project personalities. But that's more of narrative perception I have...

Maybe I'm spoiled by robot anime and I'm use to robots moving around and being fast and powerful.

But, now that I see Godzilla 2000's post, I'll get to the point:

I think making the suit out of metal was a bad idea. It just didn't look good to me.

[Legion1979]

Back up a second...since when was the original MG suit made of metal? Rubber and plastic all the way. Can you imagine how heavy that thing would have been if it was made of metal?

[SuperSaiyan4Godzilla]

Back up a second...since when was the original MG suit made of metal? Rubber and plastic all the way. Can you imagine how heavy that thing would have been if it was made of metal?

Hrm, someone at some point said the original MechaGodzilla was made of metal. T'was years ago and I hadn't heard anything different. Certainly looked metal to me when I was younger and that's what has stayed in my head for all this time. And certainly, the suit didn't appeal to me when I was younger, also.

[Legion1979]

Toho would be insane to make monster suits out of metal. You wouldn't be able to move in them.

[SuperSaiyan4Godzilla]

Toho would be insane to make monster suits out of metal. You wouldn't be able to move in them.

I'd try it.

[ebirahsmeg1]

Back up a second...since when was the original MG suit made of metal? Rubber and plastic all the way. Can you imagine how heavy that thing would have been if it was made of metal?

*Exactly*. No MG suit has ever been made of metal. Showa MG was brimming with personality, had a suitably evil look, and was very mobile for being a "robot" kaiju. Truly a great, magnificent kaiju creation. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but to say that showa MG's execution is "God awful" is something I strongly disagree with 100% and couldn't be more off the mark...

[Gyaos]

The only problem I have with Showa MG is he doesnt look alien. In all honestly, MG showa looks like something humans built. I'd expect an alien MG to look organic and sleek. When I think of alien, I think of the Xenomorphs with their biomechanical apperance and the Covenant from Halo with their organic, almost biological looking archecture and asthetics.

[Godzilla 2000]

The only problem I have with Showa MG is he doesnt look alien. In all honestly, MG showa looks like something humans built. I'd expect an alien MG to look organic and sleek. When I think of alien, I think of the Xenomorphs with their biomechanical apperance and the Covenant from Halo with their organic, almost biological looking archecture and asthetics.

You do remember this was in the 70's?

[SuperSaiyan4Godzilla]

Back up a second...since when was the original MG suit made of metal? Rubber and plastic all the way. Can you imagine how heavy that thing would have been if it was made of metal?

*Exactly*. No MG suit has ever been made of metal. Showa MG was brimming with personality, had a suitably evil look, and was very mobile for being a "robot" kaiju. Truly a great, magnificent kaiju creation. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but to say that showa MG's execution is "God awful" is something I strongly disagree with 100% and couldn't be more off the mark...

His execution in ToMG is pretty bad.

Mostly the entire "Hi, I'm in the background" status. And then he gets his head ripped off, fires a beam...and done.

I see the evil in his design. I don't see a personality still. He was a robot that was controlled by people with what seemed to be limited AI. Not much personality in that.

[GotengoXGodzilla]

Back up a second...since when was the original MG suit made of metal? Rubber and plastic all the way. Can you imagine how heavy that thing would have been if it was made of metal?

*Exactly*. No MG suit has ever been made of metal. Showa MG was brimming with personality, had a suitably evil look, and was very mobile for being a "robot" kaiju. Truly a great, magnificent kaiju creation. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but to say that showa MG's execution is "God awful" is something I strongly disagree with 100% and couldn't be more off the mark...

His execution in ToMG is pretty bad.

Mostly the entire "Hi, I'm in the background" status. And then he gets his head ripped off, fires a beam...and done.

I see the evil in his design. I don't see a personality still. He was a robot that was controlled by people with what seemed to be limited AI. Not much personality in that.

To be fair, TOMG wasn't really about MechaGodzilla. It was about Dr. Mafune and Katsura. For what MechaGodzilla was designed to do in that film, he did a fine job.

[Gyaos]

The only problem I have with Showa MG is he doesnt look alien. In all honestly, MG showa looks like something humans built. I'd expect an alien MG to look organic and sleek. When I think of alien, I think of the Xenomorphs with their biomechanical apperance and the Covenant from Halo with their organic, almost biological looking archecture and asthetics.

You do remember this was in the 70's?

Im fully aware of the asthetics regarding robots and aliens of that era. Im just saying that's what I'd expect in a truly alien machine.

[ZillaMaster91]

Showa MG did have some hint of character, more than the Heisei MG that's for sure.

For me, Kiryu is my favorite of the MG's as far as having character goes. Here is my take on it. Though it's a machine, Kiryu is a tragic character for it is essentially the first Godzilla. He went berserk because he was angry, angry at the memories from 1954 that he was reminded of after confronting the 2nd Godzilla for the first time. However you get the sense that Kiryu has a conscience because he sort of responds to Akane towards the end of Godzilla x MechaGodzilla (when she yells for him to give her strength). By Tokyo SOS, you just know that Kiryu wants to rest in peace and no longer fight when he 'shares' his memories with Chujo, making the end of the movie and end of Kiryu that much more powerful and sympathetic.

I'll stop here before I stray off topic.

[GotengoXGodzilla]

The only problem I have with Showa MG is he doesnt look alien. In all honestly, MG showa looks like something humans built. I'd expect an alien MG to look organic and sleek. When I think of alien, I think of the Xenomorphs with their biomechanical apperance and the Covenant from Halo with their organic, almost biological looking archecture and asthetics.

You do remember this was in the 70's?

Im fully aware of the asthetics regarding robots and aliens of that era. Im just saying that's what I'd expect in a truly alien machine.

...Except that the examples you gave of aliens are all from something made after MechaGodzilla was created. If you wanted to be fair, only use examples of alien machines that were made before 1974.

[Kaiju-King42]

Is it just me, or does Mechagodzilla Showa have some kind of Terminator vibe to it? It's designed to kill a specific target, it first appears hidden away in a coating of skin, bits of metal end up showing as the skin layer is damaged, then, after fiery explosion, the robot underneath is shown. Now that I think about it, Mechagodzilla's similarities to the Terminator are kind of creepy.

[Gyaos]

...Except that the examples you gave of aliens are all from something made after MechaGodzilla was created. If you wanted to be fair, only use examples of alien machines that were made before 1974.

Must you put "..." infront of everything? No offense, but you sound like a dick when you do that. Anyway I would, but there are not really any that fit what I described. The only thing that comes close is the flying saucers from War of the Worlds. So, please forgive me for sharing my views on alien asthetics

Is it just me, or does Mechagodzilla Showa have some kind of Terminator vibe to it? It's designed to kill a specific target, it first appears hidden away in a coating of skin, bits of metal end up showing as the skin layer is damaged, then, after fiery explosion, the robot underneath is shown. Now that I think about it, Mechagodzilla's similarities to the Terminator are kind of creepy

Its probably sheer conicidence.

[GotengoXGodzilla]

Must you put "..." infront of everything? No offense, but you sound like a dick when you do that.

Why do you care?

But, if you must know why I put "..." in front of a lot of things I say, is because I'm typing like how I would say it. And when I type "...", I'm saying it like there's a pause. Like I'm looking at you with a "Huh?" look on my face, confused by what was just said.

Anyway I would, but there are not really any that fit what I described. The only thing that comes close is the flying saucers from War of the Worlds.

Exactly.

For it's time, MechaGodzilla is just fine in terms of being an alien robot.

[Kaiju-King42]

Is it just me, or does Mechagodzilla Showa have some kind of Terminator vibe to it? It's designed to kill a specific target, it first appears hidden away in a coating of skin, bits of metal end up showing as the skin layer is damaged, then, after fiery explosion, the robot underneath is shown. Now that I think about it, Mechagodzilla's similarities to the Terminator are kind of creepy

Its probably sheer conicidence.

Of course it is. Still doesn't change the fact that the resemblance is uncanny. Now... if only they had a disguise using Mechagodzilla instead of King Ghidorah in 1991.