Spacegodzilla vs Destoroyah

[Gyaos]

What's stopping SpaceGodzilla from taking to the air and raining Corona Beams down on Dessy? Also, wouldn't the CBs have about the same effect on Destoroyah as the red beam with their piercy, explodey nature?

This may sound kinda stupid but it's like a Rocket Launcher vs a Sniper Rifle. The Spiral Ray is hot (obviously) and does widespread damage like a Rocket Launcher, which is why Godzilla was able to make Destroyah literally vomit his own blood and blow off chunks of him, and ultimatly make him retreat. The Corona Ray is more like a Sniper Rifle and only does damage to the specific area you aim it at.

Basically what I'm trying to say is even if Spacegodzilla's ray is hot, it just doesnt dish out the amount of heat/widespread damage in one shot like the Spiral Ray does in order to make Destroyah retreat.

The Corona beam lacks the widespread damage/explosive power of the Spiral ray, and thus wont be able to damage him as much as Godzilla did. That and as SimeonAssasin posted, Destroyah's body can possibly form countermeasures against it. Destroyah can fly too, so flying and corona spamming will make little diffrence.

Thing is Spacegodzilla lacks the tools to kill/make Destroyah retreat, nor does he have the tools to stop Destroyah before he lands a killing blow.

[RedZillaKing]

Okay so how about a dogfight between the two of them? It seems like Final Form Destoroyah is less maneuverable in the air than SG (who successfully navigated an asteroid field... I don't have to tell you the odds). However, if he chooses his more agile Flying Form won't he be more vulnerable?

[Living Corpse]

Asteroid Fields are actually more spacious then films would like you to believe, most of these space rocks are miles apart.

[GotengoXGodzilla]

Thing is Spacegodzilla lacks the tools to kill/make Destroyah retreat, nor does he have the tools to stop Destroyah before he lands a killing blow.

Destoroyah doesn't have the tools to make Space Godzilla retreat either. That statement rings more true with Destoroyah to Space Godzilla than it does with Space Godzilla to Destoroyah.

[PopInPicsPresents]

Thing is Spacegodzilla lacks the tools to kill/make Destroyah retreat, nor does he have the tools to stop Destroyah before he lands a killing blow.

Destoroyah doesn't have the tools to make Space Godzilla retreat either. That statement rings more true with Destoroyah to Space Godzilla than it does with Space Godzilla to Destoroyah.

Why not post that in the FM? I didn't make it for nothing

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[GojiFan]

Why not post that in the FM? I didn't make it for nothing

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I don't think GxG should do that. While I definitely respect his opinion on movies, the fm's are not his strong suite. That is probably why he stopped posting in them.

[GotengoXGodzilla]

Why not post that in the FM? I didn't make it for nothing

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I don't think GxG should do that. While I definitely respect his opinion on movies, the fm's are not his strong suite. That is probably why he stopped posting in them.

Part of the reason I stopped doing Fantasy Matches was because I either wasn't very good at them, I just copied what other people said (usually people I lost in debates with), or that I'm out of date now with who people are usually using (I haven't watched anything Ultraman related, so I can't participate in those FMs). But the main reason I stopped doing them was because I no longer found them fun or enjoyable. I realized that they never end well, and I usually spend way more time than I should on them.

That's why I stopped putting so much emphasis on FMs, and switched to analyzing and critiquing movies, which I'm much better at, and enjoy doing more.

[miguelnuva]

There is no rule that says Godzilla's red ray is more powerful than Godzilla's blue ray.

The rule that Godzilla has a blue ray and has to undergo a power up in every movie to get a red ray.[/quote]

...That's only true for Godzilla vs. MechaGodzilla II and Godzilla vs. Space Godzilla. It's not true for Godzilla vs. Destoroyah.[/quote]

Also in final wars

In destroyer his energy is overloading so at the min that's 3 out of 4 movies we see a spiral ray Godzilla needs extra energy to use it, that tells me that Godzilla needs a power up to unleash and spiral ray.

Also while not a true spiral ray GMK Goji used Ghidorah's energy to make a spiral ray.

[zachmanton]

Imo Destroyah is the more powerful of the two.

[ghidorasauras]

space Godzilla. and destroyah didn't kill Godzilla, he had a meltdown

[Inferno Rodan]

I just skimmed the last 6 or so pages, but I saw a lot of talk regarding Des' reformation and him only being killed by extreme cold.

SpaceGodzilla's method of regeneration is superior to Destoroyah's. SG's active regeneration heals minor wounds almost instantly so he can keep on fighting. Des needs to break down and then reform. This process essentially qualifies as a loss for Des. He needs to lose in order to come back. There's also the question of whether it actually heals the damage or simply spreads it out throughout his body. I personally ascribe to the latter, since it basically just makes more sense. How would the act of breaking down replace the cells that were destroyed? If he could regenerate properly, he would be able to do it without having to break down.

As for Des only being killable by extreme cold, that's just false. Extreme cold just does a really good job of killing him. Blasting away at him is just as effective on him as it is any other monster.

I also saw some talk regarding SG relying on his power source. To this I say: so what? He never fights an opponent without having crystals set up beforehand. Trying to take them out of the equation is silly. As for his shoulder crystals, they barely even qualify as a weakness considering how difficult they are to destroy (ie: you not only need a specific type of weapon, but also an obnoxiously powerful one).

[SimeonAssassin]

As I said before, I believe this fight would not have a winner, but a survivor. The thing that makes this a tough one for me, is not just the abilities of these two, but their attack strategy and personality.

SpaceGodzilla, I think, is without question the smarter of the two, just how smart is speculation.

Destroyah is the more physically powerful of the two, and posses a "Doomsday" style approach to battle.

If SpaceGodzilla can keep the fight in his style, then he'll wear down Destroyah over time, he cannot afford to duke it out with a walking holocaust for an extended time, much less expect to win this way. He must keep Destroyah at a distance, and pound him with ranged attacks. He could even use crystal spikes as a barrier to slow the beast down. SpaceGodzilla is entirely capable of out-smarting Destroyah in my opinion, and if he controls the pace of the fight, he'll take the win.

Destroyah, he must close the gap, and beat SpaceGodzilla to a pulp. Luckily for him, that's what he's designed to do. I think Destroyah could tank SpaceGodzilla's ranged attacks long enough to get close, but once there he must finish the fight, he cannot allow SpaceGodzilla to keep a steady feed from his crystals, or allow him to escape. Get a hold of SpaceGodzilla, pour micro-oxygen into his face, and take your Katana horn to work like a butcher on a side of beef.

They both need to play to their strengths to win this, SpaceGodzilla must keep one step ahead of Destroyah, Destroyah must use his endurance and power to full effect.

[ebirahsmeg1]

Both of these kaiju are pretty much one in the same.....fat, immobile, bipedal run of the mill heisei foes that have loads of potential, but in the end, they just stand around shooting beams out of every orifice. Don't get their popularity at all (nor do I think either one is as "powerful" as they are hyped to be by fan boys...I always felt the likes of King Ghidorah [showa/GFW] and MechaGodzilla [any era] were far more difficult opponents for Godzilla than either one of these fat asses).

I suppose Destroyer would get the nod...as Legion pointed out, at *NO POINT* in GvsSG did I ever feel as if Godzilla's life was in danger during any of his battles with SG...

Good God, I can't believe this topic is actually 11 pages long

[Legion1979]

I suppose Destroyer would get the nod...as Legion pointed out, at *NO POINT* in GvsSG did I ever feel as if Godzilla's life was in danger during any of his battles with SG...

Space Godzilla was hard to kill, but all the fatass did was stand there shooting beams and knocking over Godzilla. No drama, Godzilla's life doesn't seem at stake, nothing really happens. Space Godzilla is tough, but doesn't have the ability to actually kill his living opponents. Godzilla survived that battle without a scratch on him. Destroyah sliced a seriously deep gash into Godzilla, dragged him around by his neck like a bitch twice, murdered Junior right in front of Godzilla and only gave up when Godzilla started meltdown and was able to cause explosions by just standing there.

Both monsters are horrendously overrated (and their powers way too over-anaylized) by a segment of the Godzilla fan-community. This thread shows to me that there are people who take the Heisei series way too seriously - perhaps having pen and notepad in hand while watching the battles - and do so mainly because of monsters created by a guy who thought overpowering Godzilla's opponents was the way to go. In the end, I'm giving this to Destroyah, because at least he KILLED Junior and was able to physically injure Godzilla. WTF did Space Godzilla really do?

[Inferno Rodan]

Space Godzilla is tough, but doesn't have the ability to actually kill his living opponents. Godzilla survived that battle without a scratch on him.

You must think pretty much every monster Godzilla ever fought is incapable of killing their opponents, then, because the same can be said of every other monster he ever fought aside from Showa Hedorah and Kiryu.

In the end, I'm giving this to Destroyah, because at least he KILLED Junior and was able to physically injure Godzilla.

Do you really think Spacegodzilla couldn't have killed Little Godzilla just as easily as Destoroyah killed Junior? That's just silliness.

WTF did Space Godzilla really do?

Simultaneously fought two very powerful monsters, and beat them both back at times. Destoroyah fought a single monster (who was only questionably more powerful than one SG curbstomped) to a standstill.

[Living Corpse]

Good God, I can't believe this topic is actually 11 pages long

12 now.

Yes god forbid we actually have an interesting debate instead of the same old "I think King Ghidorah is cool how about?" "Yeah me too" "I agree" "So do I" topics where everyone agrees that have been done to death and back or another topic in the LPG thread asking the same thing that's already been asked a million times about a film we know almost nothing about. God forbid we do talk about something to fight the boredom.

I always felt the likes of King Ghidorah [showa/GFW] and MechaGodzilla [any era] were far more difficult opponents for Godzilla than either one of these fat asses).

Yes cause Kiryu suffering a blue screen of death every time he trips makes him a far more frightening monster to face then a Godzilla clone with his own personal endless supply of nuclear reactors to feed on or a living incarnation of the only weapon to have successively kill Godzilla.

[Legion1979]

Do you really think Spacegodzilla couldn't have killed Little Godzilla just as easily as Destoroyah killed Junior? That's just silliness.

If he could, why didn't he? It just makes him look like a big, fat bully. Destroyah, meanwhile, killed Junior without a second thought. Destroyah's bloodthirst easily makes him a far more dangerous opponent. Space Godzilla meanwhile, didn't do anything more to his living opponents than trap Little Godzilla in crystals for shits and giggles and knock Godzilla around a little.

[Tyler]

Hm guess I'll jump in.

I like the IDEA of Destoroyah but I don't really like anything about SpaceGodzilla. That's not really what the topic's about but that's how I feel. I think you could rework both and make them better.

Personally I think something like the Legion was pulled off much better. They were a real threat to the world AND Gamera.

[Living Corpse]

I think you could rework both and make them better.

Oh definitely, 100% agreed. They're movies could have been better too. Godzilla vs Destroyah really has nothing going for it except the King's new form, his death and Destroyah's origins as a living Oxygen Destroyer. Spacegodzilla's film doesn't even have that. Hell a lot of Heisei could have been done better, make the monsters slimmer so they can run instead of lumbering fatasses and let them T&C and save their beams as back up instead of just spamming all day.

[Legionmaster]

Everyone talks about how much of a killer Destoroyah is, but Junior didn't actually die until the Destoroyah was beaten back and Godzilla came over and tried to revive him. If he's such a murderous fiend, why didn't Destoroyah actually kill Junior and instead just ignore him once he dropped him?