Cimmerian Dragon wrote:Sorry for switching topic...but do we know what Irys' gender is, officially? Has someone just flat-out stated it? I've heard enough people call it a "him", but I wasn't sure if that was definitive.
Kaiju-King42 wrote:He shows more male qualities then any other japanese monster out there! I mean, he was in a relationship with Ayana! Poor Irys, that little human bastard kept trying to ruin his relationship. Then he finally manages to get her in bed, and what does that human do? Barges in, and rudely rips Ayana away from Irys without so much as a "how do you do." No wonder he went on a rampage after that, who can blame him?
Poor, poor Irys. All he ever wanted was for someone to love him back. Damn that stupid falcon punching turtle!
Cimmerian Dragon wrote:Eh, I get the semi-sexual vibe well enough, but I always thought that a female monster-analogue to Ayana felt more satisfying in a dramatic sense. It feels like one more quality they would share; two bitches out for turtle-blood!
Also, did anyone else notice that Iris wears high-heels? And has a glowing blue bony bustier? Or maybe I'm just going too Freudian on certain design elements...
Tyler wrote:Wasn't there some sort of fetus looking thing floating around with Ayana before Gamera ripped her out?
Cimmerian Dragon wrote:^ Ayana was depicted curled up in a fetal position in Iris' abdomen, obviously evoking the imagery of a womb. Again, Iris comes across as a decidedly feminine creature.
Maybe this was intended to link with Ayana's yearning for her lost parents? Granted, Dad died as well, but if you want the most intimate possible symbol of the parent/offspring connection, then there's no substitute for mommy, who we were literally a part of.
*shrugs* Best explanation I can come up with at the moment.
SuperSaiyan4Godzilla wrote:Cimmerian, you have masters in English-Literature, correct? Then you may know what I'm about to get out:
Considering Irys' tentacles and other physical anomalies, a psychoanalytic or feminist reading of Irys/Gamera III would be fun and a nightmare.
Force abortion on Gamera's part...O Holy God!
Cimmerian Dragon wrote:I've working on my master's...there's still a long way to go.
But yes, I see the can of worms that this whole line of analysis could open. However, it seems more and more like a relevant avenue to pursue. Essentially, the forced abortion reading is legit...the world was not prepared for the unholy rage that Iris' "child" (or next evolution/mutation/whatever) would have birthed, and so Gamera had to interrupt the process before it could it could mature. I hesitate to bring feminism into the discussion, because it's one of those hot-button terms that seems to regularly get injected into discourse with only the most tenuous of links.
As of right now, I'm only prepared to say that that Iris (from both a dramatic and aesthetic viewpoint) seems to have been intended as a female creature, in my personal opinion. I just can't believe that Shusuke Kaneko could have given us this mother/dominatrix-esque beast, tied it into a reserved and angry young girl, and yet thought of it as a masculine force. I would even hesitate to accept a gender-neutral reading, at this point.
Funny, I hadn't thought about this question in a loooong time, and now all of a sudden I'm taking a hard-line stance on it!
Kaiju-King42 wrote:Wait wait wait. Hold on a second.
Are you saying Irys is a lesbian???
Cimmerian Dragon wrote:I don't think that's exactly the vibe, but it feels a little more satisfying than the "straight" sexual interpretation to me. I think of Iris as something between a lover and a surrogate mother.
Just reading the monster/girl relationship as a sexual metaphor doesn't really work for me. What's the point? That, being a girl, Ayana is a weak vengeance-seeker that needs a big, strong man with four phallic tentacles to give her the power to realize her vendetta? Or is it that a naive little thing like Ayana needed to be kept on a tighter leash by her guardians, to prevent her from wandering off alone in the world to be seduced by that monstrous lover? Either way, these oddly-Victorian interpretations leave a bad taste in my mouth, and certainly clash with the stubborn and defiant Ayana depicted early in the movie.
The idea of the two characters being more alike, each one needing the other to realize their full potential (regardless of whether or not that's a good thing), is much more satisfying to me as a viewer. Now, that could still work if Iris is male or asexual, but the "womb" sequence, along with the driving idea that Iris' purpose will be fulfilled, and that Ayana will someone be transformed, through taking her into that womb, and the aforementioned aspects of Iris' visual design, still tend to push me toward believing in the female interpretation.
Again, I'm still just going from my own impressions. That's why I asked if there had been any definitive statements regarding the subject. I did just recall that on ADV's tongue-in-cheek "commentary" on the Gamera 3 disc, "Iris" was depicted as a female; but that's obviously not a proper source of information. That said, it is worth noting that the people who put that release together did, in fact, think the monster was female. Why, I don't know.
And here we stand. Thoughts, anyone?