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TokyoVigilante wrote:I'd rather see some scans of that; I've seen bits of it aswell the interiors for the other Mangas by the same artist and the style is excessively cartoony. And the SH Godzilla figures arms look to large to me, probably on account of the joints.
The style being "cartoony" doesn't change the fact that they're still hulking monsters with proportions very similar to their movie counterparts.
And the figure's arms aren't any larger than the suit's. They just look longer in some poses because the figure is actually able to move its shoulders. In other words, it perfectly illustrates that the design is limited in the movies solely by its method of portrayal.
Two big props bumping into eachother isn't dynamic and it's repetitive. I can use a wide range of cinematography to amplify the drama, I can shift settings to provide fresh scenery, I can have silent non-human combatants demonstrate their personalities and demeanor in how they move and behave. How am I able to do that with two props that bump into one another and shoot laser beams? How can I shift the battle if they aren't being mobile enough to warrant moving them to a new setting? How many places do I put the camera to watch a static back and forth shoving match and keep it interesting?
In War of the Gargantua's, the physicality the suit actors had was incredible; Sanda pleading and hesitant to battle its brother, with Gaira darting around like a spooked animal is not excessive extrapolation, it's clearly there in the body language of the final battle.
I never said the Heisei style of fighting was more entertaining than the Showa style. I'm just saying the Heisei style isn't nearly as stupid as people often make it out to be. It makes sense and it works. If you don't think it's as visually stimulating, that's fine. Just say that. But when you start saying it looks lame and silly, that's where I have the issue.
And even though it hasn't been brought up here, I especially take issue when people that complain about the Heisei Godzilla battles praise that joke that was the ground battle between Gamera and Iris in G3. 'Cause that makes the Heisei Godzilla bump battles look like martial arts.
Because there are different standards for two different things? Ultraman is a lighter-hearted property with a generally more fantastic flair with a superhero-ish edge. There are different expectations in regards to suspension of disbelief. If Godzilla was doing anything Ultraman was doing, yeah that'd be really weird and the two times anything remotely similar occurred in the Godzilla franchised, it's written off as a "product of its time" that wouldn't really be welcomed back, and when it was brought back it wasn't really met with particularly open arms (Final Wars). But nobody complains about Ultraman doing Ultraman-y things.
For the record, I wasn't talking about Ultraman himself fighting that way. I was talking about Gomora, Red King, etc doing it.
Oh shit, looks like I'm totally wrong in every regard on account of a stupid typing error.
Nah, I was just ribbing you about it. I figured that should have been obvious.
First of all, don't make this one of those back and forth's where you ignore points to make a stupid quip about how I'm not mentioning yours, and secondly, you didn't make a point about sumo wrestling; but lets play imaginationland and pretend you did and you didn't just go back and edit that into your post.
I added it all of 15 seconds after I posted, dude. It's not like I went back and added it after you posted.
Sumo-wrestling is a sport with a goal to push the other dude out of a circle with standardized combat techniques and sizes for the combatants. A monster movie has a plot where the events change the dynamic of how a fight would take place between combatants who, more often then not, are not physically comparable. There are no rules or standards for how the fights take place, so the sumo wrestling analogy doesn't work.
Okay? Even if there weren't such rules on style, I guarantee they wouldn't be fighting much differently. If a sumo wrestler got into a street fight with an MMA fighter, he'd still be fighting by shoving and throwing his weight around.