Monster Discussion #47: Battra

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Monster Discussion #47: Battra

Postby JVM » Mon Jul 11, 2011 6:46 am

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Battra is... an interesting character to say the least. A major villain who was to become the hero but has his/her destiny wiped away. A yang too Mothra's yin. The Ghidorah to Mothra's Godzilla. While I like Battra's design I was disappointed by his/her execution and feel it'd be better to see Battra in a movie with Mothra and not Godzilla.
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Re: Monster Discussion #47: Battra

Postby HayesAJones » Mon Jul 11, 2011 11:58 am

I like him. He's basically a more badass version of Mothra. No more Mr. Nice Moth! If you wanna look at it in a more metaphorical sense, he's a Mothra corrupted by Man's greed and destruction of the planet. Pretty cool concept, even in the adult form was too stiff.

An original roar would have been nice though.
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Re: Monster Discussion #47: Battra

Postby Alucard » Mon Jul 11, 2011 12:06 pm

I like his larva form.His imago not so much :/
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Re: Monster Discussion #47: Battra

Postby Giga Kaiju » Mon Jul 11, 2011 12:46 pm

Battra is easily one of the best Heisei monsters, I Like His Design a lot (Larva and Imago)his powers, abilities the only thing that i hate about him its, his Roar seriously why use Rodan`s Roar.
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Re: Monster Discussion #47: Battra

Postby KaneLocke » Mon Jul 11, 2011 7:10 pm

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Tyler wrote:I like the idea of Battra.



Same here, but man it was horribly executed. Never seen such a stiff prop in my life.

Said the same thing in another threat myself.

But, IMO, the larval form is immaculate.
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Re: Monster Discussion #47: Battra

Postby HayesAJones » Mon Jul 11, 2011 7:20 pm

KaneLocke wrote:
Godzilla 1995 wrote:
Tyler wrote:I like the idea of Battra.



Same here, but man it was horribly executed. Never seen such a stiff prop in my life.

Said the same thing in another threat myself.

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Re: Monster Discussion #47: Battra

Postby edgaguirus » Mon Jul 11, 2011 10:07 pm

Battra is an interesting monster. Like a hitman for the planet, Battra is the perfect foil for Mothra. It's dark and destructive, and I love the larval form. The imago stage is a not as impressive.
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Re: Monster Discussion #47: Battra

Postby GotengoXGodzilla » Mon Jul 11, 2011 10:11 pm

Boring and uninspired. Battra is just a dark version of Mothra...and that's all we learn about him. The character is hardly explored in the film, and is only there to give Mothra something to fight. The design is...okay, but not the best I've seen. Overall, its just a forgettable character in a terrible film.
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Re: Monster Discussion #47: Battra

Postby shinmattiathekaiju » Mon Jul 11, 2011 11:18 pm

Pretty cool monster,don't like the roar and the stiffy prop though.


GotengoXGodzilla wrote:Boring and uninspired. Battra is just a dark version of Mothra...and that's all we learn about him. The character is hardly explored in the film, and is only there to give Mothra something to fight. The design is...okay, but not the best I've seen. Overall, its just a forgettable character in a terrible film like everything in the non-hero Godzilla films.


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Re: Monster Discussion #47: Battra

Postby GotengoXGodzilla » Tue Jul 12, 2011 1:18 am

At least they tried to do something new.


...No, they didn't. Battra is Mothra, only darker. That's not new. Hell, even if it were new, that's doesn't stop Battra from being a complete waste.

BTW, I notice what you added onto the quote of my post at the end there. Yeah... that's not funny, nor is it true.
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Re: Monster Discussion #47: Battra

Postby Crocodile » Tue Jul 12, 2011 2:17 am

GotengoXGodzilla wrote:
At least they tried to do something new.


...No, they didn't. Battra is Mothra, only darker. That's not new. Hell, even if it were new, that's doesn't stop Battra from being a complete waste.



I'll back GXG up here, Battra is not by any means original. He's Bizzaro Mothra, and Bizzaro wasn't original when Bizzaro debuted in 56.

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Re: Monster Discussion #47: Battra

Postby Tohosaurus » Tue Jul 12, 2011 8:04 am

Godzilla 1995 wrote:
Tyler wrote:I like the idea of Battra.



Same here, but man it was horribly executed. Never seen such a stiff prop in my life.

This. Like the idea, the prop not so much. Didn't help the movie sucked donkey ...
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Re: Monster Discussion #47: Battra

Postby KaneLocke » Tue Jul 12, 2011 8:46 am

Crocodile wrote:
GotengoXGodzilla wrote:
At least they tried to do something new.


...No, they didn't. Battra is Mothra, only darker. That's not new. Hell, even if it were new, that's doesn't stop Battra from being a complete waste.



I'll back GXG up here, Battra is not by any means original. He's Bizzaro Mothra, and Bizzaro wasn't original when Bizzaro debuted in 56.

Reflection in a cracked mirror, is an old concept.
Just because a concept is unoriginal doesn't make it a bad concept.

There are NO original ideas left. Haven't been for years. It's just a mishmash of old concepts.

And I never will understand how Battra IS Mothra. One is a moth. The only aesthetic similarity they have is the number of legs and being insectoid.
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Re: Monster Discussion #47: Battra

Postby GotengoXGodzilla » Tue Jul 12, 2011 12:26 pm

Just because a concept is unoriginal doesn't make it a bad concept.


When it's Battra, then it's a bad concept.

And I never will understand how Battra IS Mothra. One is a moth. The only aesthetic similarity they have is the number of legs and being insectoid.


Its not the look that makes them the same, its the concept of the two of them. In concept, they're the same: A monster that is meant to protect the planet from evil.
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Re: Monster Discussion #47: Battra

Postby GotengoXGodzilla » Tue Jul 12, 2011 12:32 pm

A bit pig headed thing to say, no?


Sorry. I thought I had explained myself already, and didn't need to go into detail about it again.

Albeit, Battra is to protect the Earth no matter what. Mothra protects the Earth gently. Battra protects it harshly.


They're both still protectors of the earth. Like Crocodile said, "Reflection in a cracked mirror, is an old concept."
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Re: Monster Discussion #47: Battra

Postby Crocodile » Tue Jul 12, 2011 1:44 pm

And I never will understand how Battra IS Mothra. One is a moth. The only aesthetic similarity they have is the number of legs and being insectoid.


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Re: Monster Discussion #47: Battra

Postby TokyoVigilante » Tue Jul 12, 2011 3:39 pm

I thought the whole backstory of the Cosmos/Ancient Civilization/Mothra/Battra thing was poorly explained and horribly contrived. But there's still alot going on just strictly with their defined roles, as Tyler explained.

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Re: Monster Discussion #47: Battra

Postby Ethan » Tue Jul 12, 2011 3:51 pm

I have no use for Battra. Just a stiff amalgamation of Mothra and Megalon, and Rodan if you consider the roar.
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Re: Monster Discussion #47: Battra

Postby KaneLocke » Tue Jul 12, 2011 6:41 pm

GotengoXGodzilla wrote:
Just because a concept is unoriginal doesn't make it a bad concept.


When it's Battra, then it's a bad concept.

Ya wanna make statements like that, I suggest providing proof.

You have an armored, semi-upright centipede... thing... with a giant horn on it's head in it's larval form, and then a giant insect gumbo in his adult form. How, exactly, is it a bad concept?
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Re: Monster Discussion #47: Battra

Postby GotengoXGodzilla » Tue Jul 12, 2011 6:51 pm

Ya wanna make statements like that, I suggest providing proof.


I did. Multiple times.

I wrote:Battra is just a dark version of Mothra...and that's all we learn about him. The character is hardly explored in the film, and is only there to give Mothra something to fight. The design is...okay, but not the best I've seen. Overall, its just a forgettable character in a terrible film.


I wrote:Battra is Mothra, only darker. That's not new. Hell, even if it were new, that's doesn't stop Battra from being a complete waste.


You have an armored, semi-upright centipede... thing... with a giant horn on it's head in it's larval form, and then a giant insect gumbo in his adult form. How, exactly, is it a bad concept?


That doesn't stop Battra from being exactly like Mothra in concept. To me, the look means nothing if the monster isn't interesting. Battra is not interesting, because his concept is unoriginal and we learn nothing about him in the film other than the obvious. There's more to a monster than just its looks.
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