Explaining the Heisei Timeline (Official)

[wataru]

Theory is nice, except Officially that's not what happened.

[Lord Gappa]

I agree with omgitsgodzilla.

There had to be more than one Godzillasaur present during the fallout of the Bikini test. There is no way two entirely different species (a 2 million year-old sea creature and a mutated relic carnosaur) end up sharing the unique traits possessed by the Godzillas.

Sure there can.
If the script calls for it.

[Cimmerian Dragon]

You're right. I should have specified "no way...except for the whim of the screenwriter".

However the sheer, astronomical synchronicity this would require is pushes "willing suspension of disbelief" to the breaking point in a series that already has it under a lot of strain.

[wataru]

Stop trying to apply real life logic and science to a sci fi/fantasy film.

[Tyler]

I don't like tweaking the original when King Ghidorah is the real problem. That film brought in the Godzillasaur. I don't think it's right to go back and say the original had one too just because some other movie changed something. If that makes any sense.

[Cimmerian Dragon]

It does make sense, Tyler. King Ghidorah's needlessly convoluted plot is the issue giving us trouble. The original is just collateral damage because it is part of the Heisei timeline.

Godzilla Raids Again, though not part of Heisei, gives us the precedent for a second Godzilla existing in 1955, and it is just assumed to be a member of the same species. I see no reason Toho should come up with a different justification (sea monster + dinosaur becoming near-twins) when a second Godzilla apears in 1984. It is the Occam's Razor kind of explanation. There's two Godzillas? Well, there must have been two similar creatures that became mutated.

And, Wataru, isn't this speculation part of the fun? It's not like we're talking life-and-death here.

[wataru]

Speculation would be fun, if it were a speculation thread.

[omgitsgodzilla]

I don't like tweaking the original when King Ghidorah is the real problem. That film brought in the Godzillasaur. I don't think it's right to go back and say the original had one too just because some other movie changed something. If that makes any sense.

The original Godzilla was speculated to be a mutated prehistoric animal. GvKG just fills in more of the backstory.

[Lord Gappa]

I don't like tweaking the original when King Ghidorah is the real problem. That film brought in the Godzillasaur. I don't think it's right to go back and say the original had one too just because some other movie changed something. If that makes any sense.

The original Godzilla was speculated to be a mutated prehistoric animal. GvKG just fills in more of the backstory.

Godzilla used to be Godzilla than became Godzilla so now Godzilla is Godzilla.
Look, no matter what origin you throw at him (except mutated iguana) he will ALWAYS be Godzilla, King of the Monsters.

[Tyler]

GvKG just fills in more of the backstory.

Nothing wrong with that they just did it rather poorly...

[Cimmerian Dragon]

Which is a shame, because a really well-done origin story (for the first or the second Godzilla), while admittedly unnecessary, might have been interesting.

[wataru]

The problem with speculating that GRA Goji is a different monster and bringing in the Showa series, and saying that moving the Godzillasaurus from Lagos to the bottom of the sea leaves open a HUGE plothole

The monsters that appeared on Earth that have no link to Godzilla.

So from 1955 til 1984, these monsters like Megalon, Angurius, Showa Rodan just dont exist? Or arent even referenced? Were they all killed by 1984?

[TokyoVigilante]

Oh and Destroy All Monsters kinda' throws that for a loop, set in 1999 after all.

[Lord Gappa]

The problem with speculating that GRA Goji is a different monster and bringing in the Showa series, and saying that moving the Godzillasaurus from Lagos to the bottom of the sea leaves open a HUGE plothole

The monsters that appeared on Earth that have no link to Godzilla.

So from 1955 til 1984, these monsters like Megalon, Angurius, Showa Rodan just dont exist? Or arent even referenced? Were they all killed by 1984?

I tend to think all the Showa creatures DO exist, except they're never mentioned cuz the whole point of the films is focusing on Godzilla.

[Goji]

Did somebody miss the part where GOJIRA (54') is the only Showa film part of the Heisei timeline..?

[Lord Gappa]

Did somebody miss the part where GOJIRA (54') is the only Showa film part of the Heisei timeline..?

The only Showa film they mention?

[wataru]

Did somebody miss the part where GOJIRA (54') is the only Showa film part of the Heisei timeline..?

WHAT?! OMG YOU'VE TOTALLY BLOWN MY MIND!

[Mini-Godzilla]

The timelines are not connected, but I'll play devil's advocate for a moment.

So from 1955 til 1984, these monsters like Megalon, Angurius, Showa Rodan just dont exist? Or arent even referenced? Were they all killed by 1984?

We can't be sure how Japan would have reacted to subsequent threats if a second Godzilla had not appeared so quickly. Who knows: maybe they would have been more open to the Mysterians, and maybe the Mysterians would have ensured that the other alien races left humanity alone, thereby cutting down on the monster threat substantially. Just speculation, of course, but always a possibility. GvM'92 would seem to problematize that, though, with its divergent take on Mothra.

Oh and Destroy All Monsters kinda' throws that for a loop, set in 1999 after all.

Assuming the Showa/Heisei relationship speculated above, we would have to accept that DAM is set in the 1999 that predates the tampering with the timeline. The Futurans initially would have come from a time subsequent to DAM in the Showa continuity. By trying to stop Japan from becoming a superpower, they inevitably prevent DAM from happening.

[Goji]

I'm just saying, I don't know why people are bringing up other monsters, or the second Godzilla from the Showa timeline when the plot of KING GHIDORAH is simply meant to explain the origin of the Godzilla that first appeared in the 80's. Nothing more. The films from 55-75 never happened, but this much is obvious..

[TokyoVigilante]

The problem with speculating that GRA Goji is a different monster and bringing in the Showa series, and saying that moving the Godzillasaurus from Lagos to the bottom of the sea leaves open a HUGE plothole

The monsters that appeared on Earth that have no link to Godzilla.

So from 1955 til 1984, these monsters like Megalon, Angurius, Showa Rodan just dont exist? Or arent even referenced? Were they all killed by 1984?

I tend to think all the Showa creatures DO exist, except they're never mentioned cuz the whole point of the films is focusing on Godzilla.

So why is it still a big shock when they see a UFO in '91, despite being apparently invaded by Saucer-men on atleast two different occasions before hand?

Why is a team of Godzilla experts baffled as to how Godzilla cells got into space, if apparently Godzilla was in space?

Why do the Shobijin and the Cosmos give contradictory origins for Mothra?

Where was Battra when Hedorah was skreeonk everything up?

What is Minyas relationship to this whole debacle?

Why was Futurian technology required for super weapons when they had plenty of Nebulan, Xilian, and Simian technology lying around?

Why is Rodan smaller all of a sudden?

Why does everyone scoff at the solider who claimed to have seen a real dinosaur when apparently there are dozens of much more interesting dinosaurs running around on an island somewhere?

Why were no attempts made at getting Godzilla on the apparently in construction Monsterland facility with all of the other fantastic and mind-blowing creatures the world had forgotten about?

Where did the other Mothra Larva come from that lives on Monsterland? Why didn't it cacoon itself and go help the other Mothra stopping a meteorite?

Why do Dorats mutate into an exact replica of a completely alien organism? Why is no connection made between this new Ghidorah and the no doubt notorious planet killer?

uuggh.