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Re: Godzilla vs SpaceGodzilla (1994)

Postby g2vd » Mon Dec 07, 2015 5:46 am

But in truth though that destruction sequence is pretty poor, just Godzilla in the background really as a green-screen with sparks and rubble effects for destruction as we see people just run away and it does go on for a long time making it in truth filler. so I can see why people rightfully dislike that sequence, still a thousand times better than any of GVKG's Ghidorah destruction scenes though.
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Re: Godzilla vs SpaceGodzilla (1994)

Postby Kaiser » Mon Dec 07, 2015 9:45 am

Speak for yourself, I always thought King Ghidorah's attack on Fukuoka was a pretty great sequence even with the 'hovering' effects.

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Re: Godzilla vs SpaceGodzilla (1994)

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Kaiser wrote:Speak for yourself, I always thought King Ghidorah's attack on Fukuoka was a pretty great sequence even with the 'hovering' effects.

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Though to be serious I could go on a tirade about how terrible Ghidorah's Scenes are.
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Re: Godzilla vs SpaceGodzilla (1994)

Postby Kaiser » Mon Dec 07, 2015 10:00 am

The Fukuoka scene at least uses miniatures whereas Godzilla's march through Kyushu is just green screen and superimposed explosions. Some shots do actually look pretty cool, but the whole thing gets really tiring after about two minutes which is about how long the scene goes on if I remember correctly. Flawed as the effects in King Ghidorah may be, Kawakita was at least putting some effort in as compared to this film.

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Re: Godzilla vs SpaceGodzilla (1994)

Postby g2vd » Mon Dec 07, 2015 10:08 am

Kaiser wrote:The Fukuoka scene at least uses miniatures whereas Godzilla's march through Kyushu is just green screen and superimposed explosions. Some shots do actually look pretty cool, but the whole thing gets really tiring after about two minutes which is about how long the scene goes on if I remember correctly. Flawed as the effects in King Ghidorah may be, Kawakita was at least putting some effort in as compared to this film.

True, but it wasn't due to a lack of effort it's just the entire budget was massively slashed, it was all they could do with what they had. now they could easily have shortened that whole sequence to a minute and it would have had the same effect and convey the same massage and in truth the effects could have looked better on those scenes, if they didn't stretch it out for the simple purpose of filler.
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Re: Godzilla vs SpaceGodzilla (1994)

Postby Lain Of The Wired » Mon Dec 07, 2015 11:46 am

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Kaiser wrote:Speak for yourself, I always thought King Ghidorah's attack on Fukuoka was a pretty great sequence even with the 'hovering' effects.

I will fight you!

Though to be serious I could go on a tirade about how terrible Ghidorah's Scenes are.

Seriously, stop doing that whole little "I'll fight you" thing everytime someone disagrees with you, it sounds really immature every time you do it.
People have different opinions, deal with it.
And the Ghidorah destruction scene in GvKG is FAR better than the scene you guy's are talking about. All it takes is effort, the only thing really wrong is just how weird the flying Ghidorah prop looks from time to time, an that doesn wen have to do with the miniature/CGI thing
An what the skreeonks with people trashing GvKG all of a sudden? :lol:
It's got probably the most unique plot out of the rest of Heisei, not saying its not flawed, because damn is has a lot, but it's far better than this movie, by a long shot.

This movie's boring, and all the human parts are just lame, and the final battle to too drawn out, normally this would be a good thing, but not when the suits are SO damn clunky, all we have for grappling is too heavy, chunky suits slapping against eachother with their equally nubby arms, and then the rest is just a non stop beam war, so yeah its 20 min fight scene is bad, and yeah, MOGUERA manages to pull off a couple of cool moves, the rest is just a non stop beam battle.
And also the way Mothra was incorporated seemed cheap
The effects are really bad, and that's saying saying for the Heisei series, the only thing that interested me from this movie was the "Godzilla son" thing they were starting to do with him growing from movie to movie.
And I thought MOGUERA's HUGE redesign was a nice upgrade, plus lul robo penguin.
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Re: Godzilla vs SpaceGodzilla (1994)

Postby g2vd » Mon Dec 07, 2015 11:53 am

Lain Of The Wired wrote:Seriously, stop doing that whole little "I'll fight you" thing everytime someone disagrees with you, it sounds really immature every time you do it.
People have different opinions, deal with it.

Exactly, I do it to make a joke about people's reactions you know who I refer too.

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g2vd wrote:
Kaiser wrote:Speak for yourself, I always thought King Ghidorah's attack on Fukuoka was a pretty great sequence even with the 'hovering' effects.

I will fight you!

Though to be serious I could go on a tirade about how terrible Ghidorah's Scenes are.

Seriously, stop doing that whole little "I'll fight you" thing everytime someone disagrees with you, it sounds really immature every time you do it.
People have different opinions, deal with it.
And the Ghidorah destruction scene in GvKG is FAR better than the scene you guy's are talking about. All it takes is effort, the only thing really wrong is just how weird the flying Ghidorah prop looks from time to time, an that doesn wen have to do with the miniature/CGI thing
An what the skreeonks with people trashing GvKG all of a sudden? :lol:
It's got probably the most unique plot out of the rest of Heisei, not saying its not flawed, because damn is has a lot, but it's far better than this movie, by a long shot.

I do agree I like the concept of the plot and it's ideas, the problem is I find it's excutection completely terrible read the last 5 pages of the GVKG thread to see my reasonings, and why I hate the destruction scenes in GVKG.
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Re: Godzilla vs SpaceGodzilla (1994)

Postby LSD Jellyfish » Tue Dec 08, 2015 10:07 am

I happen to also like the scenes where Spacegodzilla is just flying around as a mass of crystals. He doesn't go super fast but it's pretty intimidating and downright creepy. I will concede there is one bad shot of him doing this with horrible blue screen but later there's a really good one (after the policeman gag) of him flying across the water towards the tower.
Then also there's a scene I really like where there's a reporter screaming at the camera while Spacegodzilla is in the background raising crystals and destroying buildings. IIRC she screams that downtown is like hell on earth, it's a great tone setter.

Also a lot of the cinematography is great too. And by this I mean how there's a lot of great shots of Spacegodzilla from a downwards angle looking up while he cackles. It's super cool and definitely makes him more evil looking.

Finally I'm surprised SG has an emp ability and he doesn't get enough credit. Sure it's a semi common ability now, thanks to Legion, Leatherback, and Muto's but SG did it first. Again a lot of people criticize SG for not being original but they did pump a lot of originality into his design and abilities. The movie is also more original for using Mougera, and revamping him with cool abilities, rather than just rehashing MG. While it does boil down to an alien invasion kaiju film it has a lot of original design choices that people don't praise.
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Re: Godzilla vs SpaceGodzilla (1994)

Postby Giga Kaiju » Wed Dec 09, 2015 6:59 pm

The movie had certainly good moments but sadly to most people they just just focus on the negatives. Not that I blame them since it is regarded as one of the worst.

It is fun for what it is, IMO.
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Re: Godzilla vs SpaceGodzilla (1994)

Postby Captain Aktion » Wed Dec 09, 2015 7:15 pm

I'm the weirdo who thinks it's a better film before Space Godzilla actually shows up and that the quality of it decreases at an almost exact degree that his screentime increases. I was kind of charmed by an attempt at a smaller scale, slightly more intimate return to the "Island" films from the Showa era. To be clear, I don't necessarily think that segment of the film is good, but I would've rather it stayed in that mode.
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Re: Godzilla vs SpaceGodzilla (1994)

Postby Giga Kaiju » Wed Dec 09, 2015 8:06 pm

Captain Aktion wrote:I'm the weirdo who thinks it's a better film before Space Godzilla actually shows up and that the quality of it decreases at an almost exact degree that his screentime increases. I was kind of charmed by an attempt at a smaller scale, slightly more intimate return to the "Island" films from the Showa era. To be clear, I don't necessarily think that segment of the film is good, but I would've rather it stayed in that mode.


Really? It didn't seem that 'better' in retrospect in contrast with the other parts of it but it was an interesting thing to see tried out in the Heisei era.
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Re: Godzilla vs SpaceGodzilla (1994)

Postby Captain Aktion » Wed Dec 09, 2015 10:08 pm

Giga Kaiju wrote:Really? It didn't seem that 'better' in retrospect in contrast with the other parts of it but it was an interesting thing to see tried out in the Heisei era.


I guess that the idea of keeping it there on the island and being about mismatched heroes teamed up with a lone ranger type, hopping around an island guerrilla attacking and observing Godzilla while he raises his son and then wards off another monster is really appealing to me. Simple, but it would've been neat. Hell, it'd be kind of cool for it to be like a "lost adventure" of the Heisei era. Like, everything takes place on the island and when it's all over Moguera is wrecked and Godzilla has moved on and there's just a handful of people left with a crazy, unbelievable story about a "Godzilla from space". *shrug* This movie needs all the meta thinking it can get to stay bearable.
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Re: Godzilla vs SpaceGodzilla (1994)

Postby Giga Kaiju » Wed Dec 09, 2015 10:13 pm

Hehe. It'd be kind of interesting to have seen 'contained' story in an island about Godzilla and co. but I figured that the Island would have been 'little' for such a concept like SPACEGODZILLA.
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Re: Godzilla vs SpaceGodzilla (1994)

Postby Captain Aktion » Wed Dec 09, 2015 10:23 pm

Giga Kaiju wrote:Hehe. It'd be kind of interesting to have seen 'contained' story in an island about Godzilla and co. but I figured that the Island would have been 'little' for such a concept like SPACEGODZILLA.


Well, at least they would've maybe had the budget to handle something smaller. That was my main problem with Heisei; everyone tried to be progressively "bigger" while the budgets shrank/shuffled off screen.
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Re: Godzilla vs SpaceGodzilla (1994)

Postby Giga Kaiju » Thu Dec 10, 2015 12:26 am

Captain Aktion wrote:
Giga Kaiju wrote:Hehe. It'd be kind of interesting to have seen 'contained' story in an island about Godzilla and co. but I figured that the Island would have been 'little' for such a concept like SPACEGODZILLA.


Well, at least they would've maybe had the budget to handle something smaller. That was my main problem with Heisei; everyone tried to be progressively "bigger" while the budgets shrank/shuffled off screen.


Hmm. Makes sense. Didn't know exactly that the budgets were an actual trouble that the Heisei series had in that way. (One can still learn stuff even to this day if that's the case.) ;)

In a way, if someone decided for that, it maybe could have worked, but like you said, it just 'UP THE ANTE' and maybe audiences 'expected' for that. I mean, if go for mechanical clone-clone from space-mutation of a weapon of mass destruction, well, what can you say...?
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Re: Godzilla vs SpaceGodzilla (1994)

Postby LSD Jellyfish » Fri Dec 11, 2015 10:42 pm

Regarding the budget a lot of people complain about an infamous scene where Godzilla's tail goes up and you can see it falling apart. While it's true if you pause it you can notice it it's not really noticeable unless you're specifically looking for it and pause it. I'm not excusing it, I just feel like as with a lot of the films in the franchise it's the chosen scapegoat of the era. Even if it does have flaws and a small budget it still has a noticeably higher budget and effects than the Showa films.

Again I'd like to say GVSG isn't an amazing film, or one of the better Godzilla films, just defend that it's not unwatchable or poop like so many people here make it out to be. I've defended other unlinked films like GFW like this so it's possible I'm just an optimist and prefer not to focus on the negatives.
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Re: Godzilla vs SpaceGodzilla (1994)

Postby GigaBowserG » Fri Dec 11, 2015 11:34 pm

LSD Jellyfish wrote:Regarding the budget a lot of people complain about an infamous scene where Godzilla's tail goes up and you can see it falling apart. While it's true if you pause it you can notice it it's not really noticeable unless you're specifically looking for it and pause it. I'm not excusing it, I just feel like as with a lot of the films in the franchise it's the chosen scapegoat of the era. Even if it does have flaws and a small budget it still has a noticeably higher budget and effects than the Showa films.

Again I'd like to say GVSG isn't an amazing film, or one of the better Godzilla films, just defend that it's not unwatchable or poop like so many people here make it out to be. I've defended other unlinked films like GFW like this so it's possible I'm just an optimist and prefer not to focus on the negatives.


Really, the only gripe I have is how long it runs. Had there been a shorter cut, I think it would've been much more enjoyable. The fights are creative and fun, the new monster designs are great (specifically Moguera), and I love the yakuza subplot. There's one scene too many of Yuki's bathing ass, but hey, to each their own.
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Re: Godzilla vs SpaceGodzilla (1994)

Postby LSD Jellyfish » Sat Dec 12, 2015 3:12 pm

There are many quick pointless shots which should be removed. I'm wondering if they were removed how people would feel. The ass shot is pretty much the height of it, serving absolutely zero purpose. You can't really say it's filler because the film still has tons of monster action and actually one of the longer run times of the series.
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Re: Godzilla vs SpaceGodzilla (1994)

Postby Giga Kaiju » Sat Dec 12, 2015 6:16 pm

For what it is, I liked it. I'm one of those people that find enjoyment in each entry of the series anyway, but still.
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Re: Godzilla vs SpaceGodzilla (1994)

Postby Captain Aktion » Sat Dec 12, 2015 10:19 pm

LSD Jellyfish wrote:The ass shot is pretty much the height of it, serving absolutely zero purpose.


I've got a really good feeling I know why most people get...perturbed about that scene. But I'll refrain from saying.

Now, while I admit it's up for debate about how necessary the scene is, it does serve some narrative purpose. It clearly is set up to show that Yuki is a self-sufficient survivalist who's been "in the trees" for so long that he's either lost or just doesn't care about basic decorum, like covering his ass in front of people, and that these guys are totally contemptible to him. The immediate shot after or before, if I recall correctly, has the other two guys looking at him with a mix of frustration and bewilderment. It reinforces the differences between the three of them and it lays out that not only does Yuki not give a damn if "his ass is hanging out" but that he probably even gets a little kick out of provocation and sticking it to the "squares". The fact that the other two soldiers mean so little to him that basic things that we take for granted, like not sticking your ass out, are meaningless to him says something.

I get that an ass shot of a dude in the shower isn't necessarily something that belongs in a Godzilla film and I'd say that the naked breasts of a corpse aren't very couth either but I think the consternation over the butt-shot comes from somewhere other than quality or purpose. I mean, all the "yuck"s and "eww"s as form of critique say so.

Either way, that shot DID say more to me about the character than anything in Miki's entire plot said about her.
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