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Godzillasaurus-Odo Island Hypothesis

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Odo Island always fascinated me with the franchise given that one could take their legends about a sea monster as indication they've had contact with the creature that became Godzilla or some other kind of monster before 1954. Sure it could also just be coincidence they had legend that happened to match up given its vagueness, but I like to think in most continuities their legend had some basis in truth. After all if monsters in these worlds exist why limit them to the modern era?

In the Heisei continuity we know that the Godzilla that appeared in the 1980s through the 1990s as well as its adoptive son are mutated members of the "Godzillasaurus" species.

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Now the individual from 1954 was not explicitly stated to also be a mutated dinosaur like its successors and going off the Showa continuity it was already gigantic and the radiation just scarred it and gave it some abilities.

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However for the sake of simplicity we'll say the 1954 individual was also a mutated Godzillasaurus, just not the specific individual living on Lagos island. After all if there are living survivors and eggs there has to be a breeding population at least into recent history. Given how few Godzilla there are however we can probably conclude their numbers are drastically small and they might be effectively extinct due to being in the single digits. Very large animals tend to live an extremely long time so it is also possible that the dinosaur on Lagos Island might have been decades or even a century or more years old and their breeding intervals are very slow.

Essentially my hypothesis boils down to, the Odo Island mythology was created through thousands of years of very infrequent contact with Godzillasaurus individuals.

Archosaurs, the family of reptiles that contains pterosaurs, dinosaurs, crocodilians, extended relation, and due to also being dinosaurs themselves, birds; all exhibit signs of parental care. The offspring are cared for by one or both parents until they are old enough to go off on their own. Once the young are old enough to go off on their own, they might roam very wide expanses of ocean to find the territory unclaimed by an adult. Odo Island might be pretty far from Lagos Island, but it is not uncommon at all for animals in the ocean to wind up hundreds of kilometers away from their normal range on sporadic occasion. And the Godzillasaurus species is at least heavily implied to be amphibious given that the baby had no trouble swimming out to sea and they are seen living on islands. One could even suppose the reason they survived the mass extinction event was because unlike other large theropods, they were able to exploit both terrestrial and marine resources.

So, we'll say several thousand years ago, a young Godzillasaurus adolescent, already gargantuan size given that they're fully grown stature is as tall as a Tyrannosaurus is long, happens to come upon an unclaimed island. This island is Odo Island and given it is an amphibious carnivore it goes to town on the local fish and cetacean populations. The island however is occupied by a group of humans. Now these humans are no threat to the Godzillasaurus, in fact it doesn't even really noticed them (as remember the individual on Lagos island only turned aggressive due to the chaos of the war). Given that fish and cetaceans often forage closer to the surface at night, the dinosaur might also mostly come out at night. This furthers its terrifying appearance as any of the islanders that might glimpse it would only see it out at sea or at night when it's body might be obscured. And if anyone did get a good look at it, they would be utterly terrified. if it came at a certain time of year it might also be arriving at the same time heavy monsoons and storms ensue, further adding to its mystical image because it might be associated with hurricanes.

The islanders notice of fish and cetacean population dropping, lowering their food resources. By now word has spread about the sea monster or dragon they've sighted and this unnerves them more. They have never seen a creature like this and they would likely not even think it was a flesh and blood normal animal, but some sort of force of nature or supernatural entity. There might've been attempts to fight it off but with their primitive technology they stood no chance. Odo Island might not be in an area that is able to quickly refresh its stocks of fish and wildlife, possibly due to habitat or currents similar to Bermuda. So both the Islanders and the dinosaur become increasingly hungry.

The Islanders, knowing they can no longer fight it, attempt appeasement. After all if this is a supernatural monster sent to punish them or seize their livelihood, maybe they can appease it to make it go away. So they offer up first the fish they have. The dinosaur, who had already been eating fish, eagerly accepts it. Except it won't leave. In reality it won't leave because it was just fed and might start associating humans with food like many wild animals, but to the Islanders it might come off as they didn't offer up a good enough sacrifice to appease this supernatural beast of the sea.

If they attempted to give it offerings of finery and valuables, the dinosaur would completely ignore them as such concepts are completely lost on it. And it's getting hungrier while increasingly associating humans with its last good meal. Out of desperation the Islanders, who had been feeding it fish sent out on rafts, offer up one of their own. The dinosaur, hungry and having that food association, attacks the raft and consumes the human aboard. Primates in general are not very palatable to most predators and this might come in to play. Between the human flesh it just consumed and maybe the finery the poor virgin was dressed up in, the Godzillasaurus finds its meal disgusting.

This region does not have a sustainable food source, the humans are now annoying, and it just had something that tasted revolting. It's leaving to find a new territories somewhere else. To the Islanders however it looks like the monster has finally been appeased and the very sacrifice, that unbeknownst to them tasted horrible to it, was the very thing that finally made it leave. A new tradition on how to deal with the sea dragon "Gojira" is formed, feed it fish and virgins tied to rafts with the best stuff they got.

Decades later another young Godzillasaurus adolescent comes to Odo Island looking for a territory. The Islanders don't realize, because they don't think of it as a flesh and blood creature, that this "Gojira" is not the same individual as last time. To them it's the same immortal sea dragon returned and a new sacrifice will be in order. Over the centuries, in increasingly slower intervals because the species is gradually going extinct, the cycle keeps repeating. Perhaps the last time was in the 1870s, long enough that memory has faded quite a lot and the creature(s) became increasingly mythologized. The only ones who remember the last incident by 1954 were either extremely young at the time or only got the information secondhand from their parents or grandparents. But as soon as signs show that a giant creature has returned, the Islanders realize the legend was true.

However with more modern technology as well as gestating of memory to where no one can recall the last time anyone tried to kill "Gojira", they attempt to mount an offense. This is why they're running up that hill following the tracks carrying weapons. They could never have imagined the monster that terrified their ancestors has a descendant that due to nuclear radiation would become the King of Monsters.
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I like it!!
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I meant to respond to this sooner but yeah, you’re probably right. One of the most curious things to me is how little the fact that the people of Odo Island had a tradition with monsters before they were revealed to the world in the showa series.

It’s worth noting that the people on Odo are actually canonically the people that named Gojira “Gojira” and the name Gojira of course is sortve amphibious. It makes a lot of sense and it doesn’t really conflict with anything.
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I've always wanted to see 54 Godzillas family get nuked and see him get burned from his own perspective. It'd seem like a tragic super villain origin if the point of view was done right. Since he's been a walking tragedy since he first came ashore.
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_JNavs_ wrote:I've always wanted to see 54 Godzillas family get nuked and see him get burned from his own perspective. It'd seem like a tragic super villain origin if the point of view was done right. Since he's been a walking tragedy since he first came ashore.
I don’t think that would ever happen, particularly because it would probably be viewed as insensitive towards the victims of the atomic bombs.

And even though I like the OP’s post, part of the appeal of Kaiju, which can also translate to mysterious beast/monster, is that there’s an element of mystery to where or how they came to be. If you remove that factor they become a lot less mysterious.
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In the past, Europeans thought African tales of hairy man like beasts were just legend. Then a man shot one, and the mountain Gorilla was accepted by science. Locals often know about an animal or have an oral history about a past animal. It wouldn't surprise me if a Godzillasaurus was there, and then became a part of their legends.
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That’s beautifully put together

I’ve always been fascinated with Godzilla’s relationship with Odo Island.

I still think the 1954 and Heisei Godzillas are probably different breeds/ species though
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I have a theory that, while the Heisei and 1954 Godzillas were different animals, they were actually two different species of the same Genus. The 1954 Godzilla was the larger, more aquatic species of Godzillasaurus, while the individual that would become the Heisei Godzilla belonged to a smaller species- the lion to the 1954 Godzilla’s tiger, if you will.

For as we all know, Lions, Tigers, Leopards and Jaguars are four different species of the same genus: Panthera.

Panthera Leo (Lion)
Panthera Tigris (Tiger)
Panthera Pardus (Leopard)
Panthera Onca (Jaguar)


Therefore, it would not be far-fetched at all to use this knowledge to differentiate the species tree of the Godzillasaurus Genus.

Godzillasaurus Lagosis (Heisei Godzilla)
Godzillasaurus Orientalis (1954 Godzilla)


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I like to imagine that 54's species was eventually what spawned the Godzillasaurus species. 54's species is a much larger kind that mostly lives in the sea and only comes to land for certain occasions, but even those couple of times were enough to affect a species of dinosaurs, that assumed their species image in a way to become a stronger kin. Heisei Godzilla (pre-Futurian mess up) was mutated into 84 Goji on an island just above where another Godzilla watched his family sadly die and become his own monster..
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ShinGojira14 wrote:The 1954 Godzilla was the larger, more aquatic species of Godzillasaurus, while the individual that would become the Heisei Godzilla belonged to a smaller species- the lion to the 1954 Godzilla’s tiger, if you will.
But G54 is the smaller of the two individuals (50 meters to Heisei G's original height of 80 meters).
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UltramanGoji wrote:
ShinGojira14 wrote:The 1954 Godzilla was the larger, more aquatic species of Godzillasaurus, while the individual that would become the Heisei Godzilla belonged to a smaller species- the lion to the 1954 Godzilla’s tiger, if you will.
But G54 is the smaller of the two individuals (50 meters to Heisei G's original height of 80 meters).

But 54 was the larger of the two species. The Godzillasaurus only grew from 40 feet to 80 meters as a result of being mutated by the nuclear sub crash. The original Godzilla, on the other hand, was always giant sized and wasn’t “mutated” in the sense of he grew bigger.
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Ah, I see what you mean.
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I might be wrong, but I'm pretty sure primarily aquatic organisms have the potential to be larger, versus their land counterparts. Whales versus land mammals for example. Of course this is a silly sci-fi series, but I'm not against the subspecies hypothesis.

One thing to note though, is I'm pretty sure that the series itself makes a minor distinction between the Godzillas. IIRC, and maybe this is a dub only thing, but Godzilla junior/little Godzilla, is noted to be a herbivore, and calmer, in comparison to the adult Heisei Godzilla. I think they even make mention of this. Up until the climax of the Heisei series, Godzilla Junior is also way more front facing.

This always really annoyed me:
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I do want to make note of Baby Godzilla's smooth skin. That's what originally the aquatic or pre-mutation Godzilla's might have looked like.
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My more esoteric take on Godzilla mythology is that Godzilla is actually a paranormal entity that incarnates in a physical form that superficially resembles an aquatic dinosaur. As a spirit, the Odo Island god is older than all life on Earth, and manifestations of Godzilla's flesh and blood form have appeared throughout history, but he is not a product of any particular evolutionary epoch and (like Mothra) more than one incarnation of Godzilla can exist at a time.

Rather than Odo Island's deity being inspired by primitive peoples' encounter with a prehistoric animal, it is the cyclical rebirth of this deity in Godzilla's body which gave modern humanity the impression that a Godzillasaurus species existed.
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Ivo-goji wrote:My more esoteric take on Godzilla mythology is that Godzilla is actually a paranormal entity that incarnates in a physical form that superficially resembles an aquatic dinosaur. As a spirit, the Odo Island god is older than all life on Earth, and manifestations of Godzilla's flesh and blood form have appeared throughout history, but he is not a product of any particular evolutionary epoch and (like Mothra) more than one incarnation of Godzilla can exist at a time.

Rather than Odo Island's deity being inspired by primitive peoples' encounter with a prehistoric animal, it is the cyclical rebirth of this deity in Godzilla's body which gave modern humanity the impression that a Godzillasaurus species existed.
Some of the stranger and obscure comics I own go into a lot of strange buddhist and shinto twists on Godzilla and affirm the reincarnation stuff.
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