Is Lovecraft one of Iris' insperations?

For discussion of Toho produced and distributed films or shows released from 1980 up to 1998 (includes Gamera 3)
User avatar
Living Corpse
Keizer
Posts: 7114
Joined: Sat Dec 27, 2014 10:49 pm

Is Lovecraft one of Iris' insperations?

Postby Living Corpse » Tue Jul 03, 2018 11:21 pm

Intentional or not, coincidence or not, Iris is pretty lovecraften in design. Think about, a squid, stands up right like a man, uses "wings" for flight, has "arms" and has an otherworldly beautiful glow that makes it seem even more alien and not of this world. A lot of these traits sound like Cthulhu. Oh and both come from a long dead city or civilization that has been lost to the sea like Atlantis, Mu for Iris and R'lyeh for Cthulhu. Oh and both seem to have a doomsday cult that worships them.

Obviously the two would never be mistaken for one or the other at a glance but they do share some similar backgrounds story wise and design wise.

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

It got me wondering if any of the people who gave input for the creatures design had read a Lovecraft story and was inspired by it. If not it's a pretty cool to come up with something lovecraften like while getting ideas from something else like maybe some squid monster from Japanese folklore or a nightmare. Maybe Iris is inspired from some sea or ocean god from the far East. They do mention the 3 houses that make up the deamon's true name are part of the Hydra consultation in the water quadrant of the zodiac. And Iris is compared to the Phoenix of the south as well, an obvious reference to it being related to the bird like Gyaos.

Then again, and I am not being crass or making a joke about Japanese stereotypes, but it could just be inspired from a tentacle monster from pornographic animes. The scene where the young Iris tried fusing with Ayana is said to be filmed like a sex or rape scene to make the viewer uncomfortable. And it's not unheard of, Hedorah's eyes are confirmed to be inspired by a woman's private parts. So it's true about what they say, you can be inspired by anything because we take inspiration from everything.

Or maybe I'm reading too much into things.
Last edited by Living Corpse on Tue Jul 03, 2018 11:42 pm, edited 2 times in total.
Image

User avatar
GodzillaFan1990's
Kwaidan
Posts: 6455
Joined: Sat Jan 02, 2016 1:11 pm
Location: Canada
Contact:

Re: Is Lovecraft one of Iris' insperations for his design?

Postby GodzillaFan1990's » Tue Jul 03, 2018 11:26 pm

Could be or maybe not. For all we know maybe an coincidence like Dante and Inuyasha is.

User avatar
Living Corpse
Keizer
Posts: 7114
Joined: Sat Dec 27, 2014 10:49 pm

Re: Is Lovecraft one of Iris' insperations for his design?

Postby Living Corpse » Tue Jul 03, 2018 11:44 pm

GodzillaFan1990's wrote:Could be or maybe not. For all we know maybe an coincidence like Dante and Inuyasha is.

A part of me hopes I'm wrong and that they were unaware of Lovecraft. Making a lovecraften style monster by accident seems cooler.
Image

edgaguirus
E.S.P.Spy
Posts: 5118
Joined: Wed Jul 28, 2010 1:25 pm

Re: Is Lovecraft one of Iris' insperations?

Postby edgaguirus » Mon Jul 09, 2018 12:26 pm

We'll probably never know, but Irys' design and origin feel more fantasy than sci fi.
Kaiju are just like people- giant, radioactive people.

Megalon went into a bar and saw Gigan. Megalon said, " Again? I thought ypu gave this up."
" What can I say," Gigan asked. " I'm hooked."

User avatar
Maritonic
EDF Soldier
Posts: 3044
Joined: Tue Aug 16, 2016 6:26 am
Location: UberRichNewYork

Re: Is Lovecraft one of Iris' insperations?

Postby Maritonic » Mon Jul 09, 2018 12:27 pm

Personally, I highly doubt it.
Resized Image
goji89 wrote:So.......are we gonna Kinkshame the skreeonking birds or what?

Yes I changed my sig again. Feel like the reasons why are obvious this time.
My Instagram for my figure edits: https://www.instagram.com/anubityde/?hl=en

User avatar
OneMillionTomsBC
Samurai
Posts: 134
Joined: Sat Aug 13, 2016 6:52 pm

Re: Is Lovecraft one of Iris' insperations?

Postby OneMillionTomsBC » Mon Jul 09, 2018 3:56 pm

Sure, maybe there was a pinch of Lovecraftian influence but to me it looks more typical of just that, a space monster from a manga or Kamen Rider or Dragon Ball Z or tentacle porn. It's way too unmistakably Japanese.

This design has a lack of pitch black darkness and unfathomably old and ancient dread and cosmic horror for it to resemble anything Howard Phillips has imagined.
Last edited by OneMillionTomsBC on Mon Jul 09, 2018 3:58 pm, edited 2 times in total.

User avatar
Living Corpse
Keizer
Posts: 7114
Joined: Sat Dec 27, 2014 10:49 pm

Re: Is Lovecraft one of Iris' insperations?

Postby Living Corpse » Wed Jul 11, 2018 2:17 pm

It's not just the design, it's the backstory.
Image

User avatar
Ivo-goji
G-Force Lieutenant
Posts: 2307
Joined: Fri Jan 29, 2016 8:54 am

Re: Is Lovecraft one of Iris' insperations?

Postby Ivo-goji » Wed Jul 11, 2018 6:21 pm

Irys' backstory is pretty straight forward onmyoji fair. The Atlantis connection is vaguely Lovecrafty but the Gamera Trilogy owes more to Plato in that regard.
Resized Image

Kaiju-King42 wrote:Welcome to Toho Kingdom, where every conceivable opinion, no matter how outlandish or unpopular, is a possibility among the population.

User avatar
OneMillionTomsBC
Samurai
Posts: 134
Joined: Sat Aug 13, 2016 6:52 pm

Re: Is Lovecraft one of Iris' insperations?

Postby OneMillionTomsBC » Wed Jul 11, 2018 8:32 pm

I see no connection. All aspects of that character is absolutely not dark or hideous enough. Occultists are a dime a dozen.

User avatar
tbeasley
Interpol Agent
Posts: 606
Joined: Mon Dec 29, 2014 9:28 pm
Location: South MS

Re: Is Lovecraft one of Iris' insperations?

Postby tbeasley » Sat Jul 14, 2018 6:44 am

Tentacles ≠ Lovecraftian

Most of Lovecraft's godlike pantheon, races and creatures are totally indifferent to humanity, they barely register us while Iris' entire story revolves around his unhealthy connection to Ayana.

I think Iris' inspirations are a bit more... suggestive. Look at his baby form or the object jutting from his crotch as an adult.
~ Tyler

Exterminate all rational thought.

User avatar
Kaiju-King42
E.S.P.Spy
Posts: 4885
Joined: Mon Dec 19, 2011 10:34 pm
Location: Monster Island

Re: Is Lovecraft one of Iris' insperations?

Postby Kaiju-King42 » Sat Jul 14, 2018 8:46 am

Iris has more in common with the works of H.R Giger than H.P Lovecraft.

Also that's a terrible depiction of Cthulhu.
Last edited by Kaiju-King42 on Sat Jul 14, 2018 8:48 am, edited 2 times in total.
Godzillian wrote:
Godzilla21 wrote:What is up with the American trope of hide the monster?

Jaws happened


ernesth100 wrote:
Ryguy wrote:When the new director is announced, I guarantee this fanbase will be torn through the middle...

We're always split down the middle. TK is like a giant buttcrack.


Anno wrote:never forget tadpole :godzilla:




User avatar
Dino-Mario
Interpol Agent
Posts: 490
Joined: Sun Jan 12, 2014 8:53 pm
Location: Mexico

Re: Is Lovecraft one of Iris' insperations?

Postby Dino-Mario » Sat Jul 14, 2018 4:02 pm

He does look eldritch and Gigeresque enough too, but seems more fantasy-based. Plus, he's not really an unfathomably powerful deity, but rather some kind of bioweapon created by the Atlanteans using Gyaos material (given he has the same genetic material as them.) in case Gamera went rogue. So, design-wise, he does look somewhat Lovecraftian, but i'm pretty sure it's just a coincidence.
Image Image

User avatar
tbeasley
Interpol Agent
Posts: 606
Joined: Mon Dec 29, 2014 9:28 pm
Location: South MS

Re: Is Lovecraft one of Iris' insperations?

Postby tbeasley » Sun Jul 15, 2018 6:17 am

I think Iris is too colorful to be Gigeresque either.

More than anything he's a Mahiro Maeda creation (designer for the Gamera trilogy, Ultraman Great, Evangelion, God Warrior Appears in Tokyo, Shin Godzilla, etc.).
~ Tyler

Exterminate all rational thought.

Online
User avatar
PitchBlackProgress
JXSDF Technician
Posts: 917
Joined: Wed Sep 06, 2017 12:15 pm

Re: Is Lovecraft one of Iris' insperations?

Postby PitchBlackProgress » Thu Aug 16, 2018 12:38 am

I think he’s closer to one of the Angels from Evangelion if anything.
The Godzilla fandom tends to attract three types of people; ignorant kids, social deviants and drunks in their '20s.


Return to “Heisei Series (1980's-1998)”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: PitchBlackProgress and 4 guests