How do you think the Atlanteans created Gamera, Gyaos and Iris?

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Re: How do you think the Atlanteans created Gamera, Gyaos and Iris?

Postby edgaguirus » Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:38 pm

I suppose part of the answer to the kill switch question is to teach a lesson about playing god. They created the Gyoas , confident they could control them. But then the Gyoas turn on their creators. The Atlanteans continue their folly by trying the same thing to deal with the Gyoas. However, the monsters prove just as troublesome as the Gyoas. I suppose Gamera worked because they gave the giant turtle a psychic link to humanity. This gave man and Gamera a common cause.
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Re: How do you think the Atlanteans created Gamera, Gyaos and Iris?

Postby Tyrant_Lizard_King » Tue May 01, 2018 11:25 pm

I always thought that Irys was created by a secondary ancient civilization, that he was created after the fall of Atlantis. He was created using Gyaos DNA because it's so simplified and easy to work with. The Gyaos DNA is inherently corrupt or "evil" and that's what caused Irys to become corrupted. That's always what I gathered from the film.
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Re: How do you think the Atlanteans created Gamera, Gyaos and Iris?

Postby Destorogoji » Tue Aug 20, 2019 9:41 am

After a few years of thinking it, I believe the Golem theory is very accurate. Atlantis/Mu/Lemuria created their monsters with alchemy/magic/mana, something like a Golem or Homunculus, they made Gyaos first as a waste control system (that's why they don't have an "off" switch on them, since the Atlanteans thought it wasn't necessary), Gyaos went feral and started eating people.

They created Jiger (Byakko) and Zigra (Oryu) to work as a team, so Zigra was able to shot Gyaos out of the air while Jiger killed them once they fell; they were made without a link to humanity, they probably got killed by the Gyaos, so the Atlanteans got the secret to win: to have their monsters fed of humanity's faith.

Barugon (Seiryu) was their fourth creation, and they gave him psychic abilities to feed on people's faith, he went out of control and started brainwashing humans into his cult.

Out of desperation, they created Iris (Suzaku) out of Gyaos material, but this time they used the Magatama to link him with a human host, he probably put Barugon to sleep and was the perfect weapon against Gyaos for a while, but then something happened, he went feral aswell. That's the only part I can't figure out, he probably got another psycho kid as his host or maybe he feeds on people's hate, and that makes him dangerous.

And then, they finally created Gamera (Genbu), The Last Hope. Unlike Iris, Gamera's Magatama were powered by Mana (that's why Iris Magatama didn't break after Legion), he then put Iris to sleep and was the definitive weapon against Gyaos, but it was too late by then, so the last remaining Atlanteans made Gamera sleep for hundreds of years, waiting until the Gyaos came back.
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Re: How do you think the Atlanteans created Gamera, Gyaos and Iris?

Postby Living Corpse » Tue Aug 20, 2019 9:52 am

King of the Monsters wrote:I believe Shusuke Kaneko has said the Gamera Heisei trilogy takes place in a world where real turtles don't exist or something, so Gamera is seen as especially strange due to matching no known species.


I get what he was going for but it seems kind of pointless to me. Like I can relate Godzilla to a dinosaur or a Dragon to a lizard, they're still gonna be fantastical monsters to me because they're really big shoot fire and can fly, they're unlike any dinosaur or lizard, in much the same way Gamera and King Kong are unlike any other turtle or ape.
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Re: How do you think the Atlanteans created Gamera, Gyaos and Iris?

Postby Spydrmanjr » Fri Aug 23, 2019 7:21 pm

After rewatching Gamera III I’m not convinced that Irys went rogue and feral because of Gyaos DNA, but rather its major flaw was In the magatama and it’s relationship to the host. Irys seems to have a dysfunctional and toxic relationship with its host, acting like an overprotective signifcant other (killing Ayane’s less than loving family and bullies; constantly pursuing her). Irys misinterprets or grossly exaggerated Ayane’s own emotions and hate. Yes, she hates Gamera enough to want to kill him but she doesn’t hate the bullies or her family enough to want them to be killed.

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Re: How do you think the Atlanteans created Gamera, Gyaos and Iris?

Postby LSD Jellyfish » Tue Aug 27, 2019 4:17 am

Watching the film now. I want to make note the subtitles use the word turtle, but the actual characters never say the word kame for turtle, indicating that yeah in this universe turtles don’t exist, making it far more like Gamera is a golem.
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Re: How do you think the Atlanteans created Gamera, Gyaos and Iris?

Postby Dino-Mario » Fri Sep 13, 2019 7:13 pm

The Gamera trilogy kaiju as golems theory sounds pretty interesting indeed.
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Re: How do you think the Atlanteans created Gamera, Gyaos and Iris?

Postby king_ghidorah » Sun Sep 15, 2019 3:57 am

Golems. Alchemy. Something our science wouldn’t understand.

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Re: How do you think the Atlanteans created Gamera, Gyaos and Iris?

Postby daveblackeye15 » Sun Sep 15, 2019 7:09 am

Probably massive creation/birthing chamber spheres. Or maybe Gamera had a nicer clean one like that while maybe the Gyaos were born like the Urak-Hai in the Lord of the Ring novel. Just coming out of the dirty ground in sacs.

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Re: How do you think the Atlanteans created Gamera, Gyaos and Iris?

Postby GodzillaFan1990's » Sun Sep 15, 2019 8:26 am

The more and more its debated the more likely the golem origin is likely true.

Its cool but too bad because the idea of Gamera being part saber-tooted cat was awesome but guess that's already debunked given Kaneko said turtles don't exist in the Heisei Trilogy.

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Re: How do you think the Atlanteans created Gamera, Gyaos and Iris?

Postby Omegamorph » Tue Sep 24, 2019 2:05 pm

they obviously had an advanced knowledge of genetic engineering. It's how the characters discover that the gyaos are artificially-engineered, they explain that the gyaos only have two chromosomes and that for such complex creatures that would only be the result of engineering. Literally in the dialogue of the first movie.

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Re: How do you think the Atlanteans created Gamera, Gyaos and Iris?

Postby realinvaderdesign » Tue Sep 24, 2019 3:24 pm

a mixture of latex rubber, servos and a guy in a suit i think?

Nah im joking but in all honesty id go with the golem theory that everyone else is throwing around seeming gamera is a protector designed to fend off against the gyaos


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