The Heisei Timeline Explained

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Re: The Heisei Timeline Explained

Postby Ivo-goji » Sat Jun 04, 2016 8:56 am

Plus it's one of the most common time travel story cliches ever: try to change the past will = create the past you were trying to change.
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Re: The Heisei Timeline Explained

Postby DaruniaDancing » Thu Oct 06, 2016 2:07 pm

I have no opinion yet on the Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah stuff discussed up thread, but it was really a relief to find this discussion. The time-travel storyline didn't hold water for me. I'm glad to hear I'm not the only one who had this reaction!

Edit: That said, I still enjoyed the storyline. It reminded me of Lost!

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Re: The Heisei Timeline Explained

Postby Kaeyas » Wed May 10, 2017 4:25 pm

Something I always wondered is was the original Godzilla also a Godzillasaurus? I have my doubts and here is why. Before becoming Heisei Godzilla, the Dino was a herbivore, while we are told in the Original Godzilla that it ate sea creatures and occasionally people before it was mutated by nuclear weapons. That leads me to believe that original Godzilla was probably not the same exact species of dinosaur, though probably similar...maybe the Godzillasaur on the island evolved differently to feed on plants because of lack of prey...I'm not sure but this opens up a whole new can of worms.
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Re: The Heisei Timeline Explained

Postby Destorogoji » Thu May 11, 2017 1:08 am

Kaeyas wrote:Something I always wondered is was the original Godzilla also a Godzillasaurus? I have my doubts and here is why. Before becoming Heisei Godzilla, the Dino was a herbivore, while we are told in the Original Godzilla that it ate sea creatures and occasionally people before it was mutated by nuclear weapons. That leads me to believe that original Godzilla was probably not the same exact species of dinosaur, though probably similar...maybe the Godzillasaur on the island evolved differently to feed on plants because of lack of prey...I'm not sure but this opens up a whole new can of worms.

I think the same thing.
The original Godzilla is a completely different animal, having different appearance, different behaviour, and even different motivations.
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Re: The Heisei Timeline Explained

Postby MechaGoji Bro7503 » Thu May 11, 2017 3:53 am

Destorogoji wrote:
Kaeyas wrote:Something I always wondered is was the original Godzilla also a Godzillasaurus? I have my doubts and here is why. Before becoming Heisei Godzilla, the Dino was a herbivore, while we are told in the Original Godzilla that it ate sea creatures and occasionally people before it was mutated by nuclear weapons. That leads me to believe that original Godzilla was probably not the same exact species of dinosaur, though probably similar...maybe the Godzillasaur on the island evolved differently to feed on plants because of lack of prey...I'm not sure but this opens up a whole new can of worms.

I think the same thing.
The original Godzilla is a completely different animal, having different appearance, different behaviour, and even different motivations.

Yeah, G54 is a very different species. Perhaps Godzillasaurus is some sort of sub species?
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Re: The Heisei Timeline Explained

Postby Cybermat47 » Thu May 11, 2017 6:15 am

MechaGoji Bro7503 wrote:
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Kaeyas wrote:Something I always wondered is was the original Godzilla also a Godzillasaurus? I have my doubts and here is why. Before becoming Heisei Godzilla, the Dino was a herbivore, while we are told in the Original Godzilla that it ate sea creatures and occasionally people before it was mutated by nuclear weapons. That leads me to believe that original Godzilla was probably not the same exact species of dinosaur, though probably similar...maybe the Godzillasaur on the island evolved differently to feed on plants because of lack of prey...I'm not sure but this opens up a whole new can of worms.

I think the same thing.
The original Godzilla is a completely different animal, having different appearance, different behaviour, and even different motivations.

Yeah, G54 is a very different species. Perhaps Godzillasaurus is some sort of sub species?


In Godzilla VS Mechagodzilla II, we are told that Godzilla Junior is a herbivore, but then, in Godzilla VS Destoroyah, we are told that Junior has been hunting Whales. I highly doubt that any amount of mutation that Junior underwent could result in such a drastic change in diet. It's much more likely that Godzillasauruses, and by extension, Godzillas, are omnivorous. This is further evidenced by Godzilla Junior eating a hamburger, meat and all, in GVMGII.

In addition, there's no confirmation about Shodai Godzilla's diet, only the diet of the beast in the legends of Odo Island. While Professor Yamane named Shodai Godzilla after the legendary beast, there was little to suggest that the two were one and the same - in fact, given that Shodai Godzilla was awoken by hydrogen bomb tests, we can conclude that the legend was not about Shodai Godzilla.

On top of this, the Shodai Godzilla, Heisei Godzilla, and Godzilla Junior are all too similar to each other to not be Godzillasauruses. It's possible, and perhaps even likely, that Shodai is a different species of the Godzillasaurus genus, however.
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Re: The Heisei Timeline Explained

Postby Kaeyas » Sat May 13, 2017 8:40 pm

Cybermat47 wrote:
MechaGoji Bro7503 wrote:
Destorogoji wrote:I think the same thing.
The original Godzilla is a completely different animal, having different appearance, different behaviour, and even different motivations.

Yeah, G54 is a very different species. Perhaps Godzillasaurus is some sort of sub species?


In Godzilla VS Mechagodzilla II, we are told that Godzilla Junior is a herbivore, but then, in Godzilla VS Destoroyah, we are told that Junior has been hunting Whales. I highly doubt that any amount of mutation that Junior underwent could result in such a drastic change in diet. It's much more likely that Godzillasauruses, and by extension, Godzillas, are omnivorous. This is further evidenced by Godzilla Junior eating a hamburger, meat and all, in GVMGII.

In addition, there's no confirmation about Shodai Godzilla's diet, only the diet of the beast in the legends of Odo Island. While Professor Yamane named Shodai Godzilla after the legendary beast, there was little to suggest that the two were one and the same - in fact, given that Shodai Godzilla was awoken by hydrogen bomb tests, we can conclude that the legend was not about Shodai Godzilla.

On top of this, the Shodai Godzilla, Heisei Godzilla, and Godzilla Junior are all too similar to each other to not be Godzillasauruses. It's possible, and perhaps even likely, that Shodai is a different species of the Godzillasaurus genus, however.


That's kind of what I meant kind of like how they recently discovered a plant eating theropod that they say was very closely related to raptors.

I think G54' and Heisei have enough differences (even if your using G84' as the comparison) to assume they are probably not the same exact species...closely related or of the same genus...Probably. I have often wondered what a Theropod like an Allosaurus or even a Spinosaurus might look like if they'd been mutated in the same manner as G. Be pretty interesting and I'm surprised toho has never used this idea for an opponent of G.
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Re: The Heisei Timeline Explained

Postby eabaker » Mon Jun 19, 2017 12:33 pm

I think the clear intent of the filmmakers was that the two - if they even intended them to be two different creatures at the time GvsK was made - were of the same species. For them to be different species wouldn't add anything meaningful to the narrative.
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Postby MechaGoji Bro7503 » Mon Jun 19, 2017 12:39 pm

Maybe the Godzillasaurus is a evolved land species of G54's species?
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Re: The Heisei Timeline Explained

Postby Sam » Sat Jul 01, 2017 10:44 am

I think it's very easy to get caught up a bit too much in the Heisei timeline, and the havoc that Godzilla vs King Ghidorah plays with it in particular. Personally, I always felt that Omori wasn't thinking about every possible consequence when he conceived of the story, and it's not really worth worrying about too much.

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Re: The Heisei Timeline Explained

Postby eabaker » Sat Jul 01, 2017 11:46 am

Sam wrote:I think it's very easy to get caught up a bit too much in the Heisei timeline, and the havoc that Godzilla vs King Ghidorah plays with it in particular. Personally, I always felt that Omori wasn't thinking about every possible consequence when he conceived of the story, and it's not really worth worrying about too much.


Yeah, as much as the Heisei series may include more continuity-consciousness than the Showa flicks, it's not like these movies were pre-planned to interlink seamlessly.
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Re: The Heisei Timeline Explained

Postby Dawsbfiremind » Sat Jul 01, 2017 5:26 pm

I read through all this, watched the films a couple of times, and finally drew it all down. Here ya go, the Heisei timeline explained!

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