Talkback: Gamera 3: Revenge of Iris (1999)

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Talkback: Gamera 3: Revenge of Iris (1999)

Postby GodzillaFan1992 » Fri Mar 21, 2014 10:01 pm

Gamera 3: Revenge of Iris aka Gamera 3: Incomplete Struggle

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I saw there was no talkback topic for this just like the other two heisei films, so I decided to make it.

You guys probably know just like in the Talkback threads.

Discuss.

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Re: Gamera 3: The Awakening of Irys (1999)

Postby KJ Corp » Sat Mar 22, 2014 2:34 am

I found this movie overrated by many. Though I did find it very enjoyable and will give it a 6.5/10. Also, wasn't this movies title "The Revenge of Irys"?
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Re: Gamera 3: The Awakening of Irys (1999)

Postby 20th Century Boy » Sat Mar 22, 2014 6:59 am

Some of the special effects were downright phenomenal (and others were embarrassing). The dark tone and anime-feel were well done and a very welcome change of pace to the franchise. There's also a certain artistic beauty in the film, something I can't quite describe, but I can definitely feel it. That being said, I think it relies too much on underdeveloped characters. Ayana especially could have been better developed, but doesn't fulfill the potential of the interesting concept she was given. Some of the mythological stuff felt like an afterthought and I did not care for it.

It's my least favorite of the trilogy, but it's still well above the Heisei Godzilla movies for sure (except for maybe Biollante).

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Re: Gamera 3: The Awakening of Irys (1999)

Postby eabaker » Sat Mar 22, 2014 8:54 am

As 20th Century Boy alludes, this movie has a really distinctive duende. Ultimately, while I understand a lot of the problems people have with it, that... alchemy, that lightning in a bottle, keeps me in love with the movie. I love feeling this movie more than just about any other kaiju flick besides the original Gojira (another movie with a truly remarkable duende).
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Re: Gamera 3: The Awakening of Irys (1999)

Postby Rodan » Sat Mar 22, 2014 11:45 am

This is a movie that doesn't quite live up to the potential of its script, so don't let anyone sell you on it being an emotional or intellectual genre masterpiece, but everything it goes for and most of its execution is just so right that I can't be bothered to care.

I love what this one does to spin a darker tale out of the first two movies. It's exciting the whole way through, and its special effects are top-notch for a suitmation kaiju movie. I don't have much else to say about it, but it's narrowly my favorite of the trilogy, just beating out Guardian of the Universe.

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Re: Gamera 3: The Awakening of Irys (1999)

Postby gojira96 » Sat Mar 22, 2014 3:38 pm

This is easily in my top 3 kaiju films. It's fantastic.

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Re: Gamera 3: The Awakening of Irys (1999)

Postby gzilla46 » Sun Mar 23, 2014 4:57 am

20th Century Boy wrote:Some of the special effects were downright phenomenal (and others were embarrassing). The dark tone and anime-feel were well done and a very welcome change of pace to the franchise. There's also a certain artistic beauty in the film, something I can't quite describe, but I can definitely feel it. That being said, I think it relies too much on underdeveloped characters. Ayana especially could have been better developed, but doesn't fulfill the potential of the interesting concept she was given. Some of the mythological stuff felt like an afterthought and I did not care for it.

It's my least favorite of the trilogy, but it's still well above the Heisei Godzilla movies for sure (except for maybe Biollante).

I actually heard quite a few Western critics admit that they thought the effects were good.
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Re: Gamera 3: The Awakening of Irys (1999)

Postby Shadow » Sun Mar 23, 2014 5:34 am

I absolutely love this movie. The story was great, Gameras' look was awesome, the blood, the carnage!
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Re: Gamera 3: The Awakening of Irys (1999)

Postby GodzillaFan1992 » Sun Mar 23, 2014 6:15 am

IMO one of the best Kaiju Movies along with the 2nd heisei movie and the original Godzilla. Isn't my favourite heisei Gamera, that one would be the 2nd movie, but this comes next.

Was the only one who was pissed that there was never a 4th movie, because honestly the ending of this movie definitely hinted another sequel and we never got one.....

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Re: Gamera 3: The Awakening of Irys (1999)

Postby gzilla46 » Sun Mar 23, 2014 6:25 am

GodzillaFan1992 wrote:IMO one of the best Kaiju Movies along with the 2nd heisei movie and the original Godzilla. Isn't my favourite heisei Gamera, that one would be the 2nd movie, but this comes next.

Was the only one who was pissed that there was never a 4th movie, because honestly the ending of this movie definitely hinted another sequel and we never got one.....

Well, then it wouldn't be a trilogy.
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Re: Gamera 3: The Awakening of Irys (1999)

Postby GodzillaFan1992 » Sun Mar 23, 2014 8:29 am

gzilla46 wrote:
GodzillaFan1992 wrote:IMO one of the best Kaiju Movies along with the 2nd heisei movie and the original Godzilla. Isn't my favourite heisei Gamera, that one would be the 2nd movie, but this comes next.

Was the only one who was pissed that there was never a 4th movie, because honestly the ending of this movie definitely hinted another sequel and we never got one.....

Well, then it wouldn't be a trilogy.

Well at least there is that fan-film Gamera 4: The Truth to cling to.

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Re: Gamera 3: The Awakening of Irys (1999)

Postby gzilla46 » Sun Mar 23, 2014 8:32 am

GodzillaFan1992 wrote:
gzilla46 wrote:
GodzillaFan1992 wrote:IMO one of the best Kaiju Movies along with the 2nd heisei movie and the original Godzilla. Isn't my favourite heisei Gamera, that one would be the 2nd movie, but this comes next.

Was the only one who was pissed that there was never a 4th movie, because honestly the ending of this movie definitely hinted another sequel and we never got one.....

Well, then it wouldn't be a trilogy.

Well at least there is that fan-film Gamera 4: The Truth to cling to.

I actually was considering mentioning that, but I thought you guys would go, "NO! THAT DOESN'T COUNT!"
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Re: Gamera 3: The Awakening of Irys (1999)

Postby Rodan » Sun Mar 23, 2014 1:00 pm

GodzillaFan1992 wrote:Was the only one who was pissed that there was never a 4th movie, because honestly the ending of this movie definitely hinted another sequel and we never got one....

Um ... did it? I definitely didn't think so.

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Re: Gamera 3: The Awakening of Irys (1999)

Postby ILL GREEN » Sun Mar 23, 2014 1:10 pm

I like that Kaneko went left field with the final film and made Gamera a villain for a stint. Finally you saw Gamera killing people even though it wasn't his fault, but a nice touch.

Favorite scene-Gamera Graveyard.

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Re: Gamera 3: The Awakening of Irys (1999)

Postby Legionmaster » Sun Mar 23, 2014 2:34 pm

Rodan wrote:
GodzillaFan1992 wrote:Was the only one who was pissed that there was never a 4th movie, because honestly the ending of this movie definitely hinted another sequel and we never got one....

Um ... did it? I definitely didn't think so.

Yeah, for as messy as some of the characterizations and storytelling get in this film, the ending is pretty much the cap on the "Gamera will fight no matter what" thread that runs through the trilogy. The consistency of Gamera's character through all three films is probably one of the highlights of the trilogy, and the fact that he's going to face down the entire global Gyaos swarm (along with his new military buddies) is the central driving point to the film.
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Re: Gamera 3: The Awakening of Irys (1999)

Postby Rodan » Sun Mar 23, 2014 3:10 pm

Legionmaster wrote:Yeah, for as messy as some of the characterizations and storytelling get in this film, the ending is pretty much the cap on the "Gamera will fight no matter what" thread that runs through the trilogy. The consistency of Gamera's character through all three films is probably one of the highlights of the trilogy, and the fact that he's going to face down the entire global Gyaos swarm (along with his new military buddies) is the central driving point to the film.

Yeah, it seems pretty final story-wise as well. The Gamera we've come to know through the films is definitely dying at the end. You get the feeling taking on that swarm of Gyaos is going to be his last hurrah. Whether or not humanity is actually saved from the Gyaos, by this or some other Gamera or not at all is fairly inconsequential by that point.

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Re: Gamera 3: The Awakening of Irys (1999)

Postby GodzillaFan1992 » Sun Mar 23, 2014 5:12 pm

Rodan wrote:
GodzillaFan1992 wrote:Was the only one who was pissed that there was never a 4th movie, because honestly the ending of this movie definitely hinted another sequel and we never got one....

Um ... did it? I definitely didn't think so.

Well to perfectly be honest. I think the Heisei Gamera series had room for one more movie and it would of been cool how the whole fight with the swarm of Gyaos went. I mean we don't know if Gamera won, lost or both lost.

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Re: Gamera 3: The Awakening of Irys (1999)

Postby ILL GREEN » Sun Mar 23, 2014 6:12 pm

Godzilla The King wrote:The only way I think a sequel could work is if you go so far into the future it doesn't matter who won. Mankind has advanced, the Gyaos threat has ended either by Gamera or mankind. A new group of Gyaos awaken and a new Gamera awakens.

Yes and the Gamera graveyard (yep, again) proves it :mrgreen:

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Re: Gamera 3: The Awakening of Irys (1999)

Postby eabaker » Mon Mar 24, 2014 11:16 am

Godzilla The King wrote:The only way I think a sequel could work is if you go so far into the future it doesn't matter who won. Mankind has advanced, the Gyaos threat has ended either by Gamera or mankind. A new group of Gyaos awaken and a new Gamera awakens.


I agree, that would be just about the only way to continue the series.

Actually showing that big Gamera/Gyaos fight would just rob the ending of G3 of its beautiful ambiguity.

Ultimately, though, G3 put a thematic cap on the series, and I'm wholly glad that there was no continuation to cheapen it.
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Re: Gamera 3: The Awakening of Irys (1999)

Postby GodzillaDude » Fri Mar 28, 2014 12:41 pm

Critically better than any Godzilla movie we have seen so far in my opinion, at least when it comes to the acting, story, etc. The battles are solid too and the climax is great.
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