Talkback Thread #19: Godzilla vs. Mothra (1992)

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Re: Talkback Thread #19: Godzilla vs. Mothra (1992)

Postby Omegazilla » Mon Jun 24, 2019 6:07 pm

I'm not saying the movie WAS MADE to specifically cash in on Indiana Jones films, I meant that the scenes that were similar to Indiana Jones were there just as a cheap way to cash in on the popularity of the series at the time, perhaps lure in some Indiana Jones fans and get their attention so they might think there is more of this type of content in the movie. What I think the movie was specifically made to cash in on though are the titular monsters. Anyways, Toho always seemed to change some of the themes around to adapt to the times they were making the movies in, it just so happens Indiana Jones was popular at the time, so it was IJ's turn.

But even if it was, this series has a long history of borrowing from established box office hits. Just look at the first film, which started as such a ripoff of The Beast from 20,000 Fathoms that its working title was nearly the same.


I agree 100% on this. In fact many movies in a way started off as "ripoffs" but would become something original in of itself. Again I find it funny you mention Alien because that very series did the exact same thing. One of the staff (can't remember if it was writer, director etc) said he basically knocked off a bunch of sci-fi movies like The Thing. He said something like "I didn't steal Alien from anybody, but everybody." Just like Godzilla did with Kong and TBF2F. I am not saying "borrowing" from movies is always bad, but in this case it is as it really serves no point other than to capitalize on the fame of IJ. There are some exceptions where capitalizing on a trend or whatnot CAN ironically create something fresh and interesting, it's just that this movie was not of those exceptions. With all this said while I do stand by that I said this movie is the worst in the Heisei series it is far from the worst in the whole franchise and does have some entertaining scenes that can get you by on a boring day.

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Re: Talkback Thread #19: Godzilla vs. Mothra (1992)

Postby Gothicserpent » Mon Feb 03, 2020 8:21 pm

The more I think about it, the final battle might be one of the best fights in the franchise.
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Re: Talkback Thread #19: Godzilla vs. Mothra (1992)

Postby tyrantgoji » Sun Feb 23, 2020 3:22 pm

I think this movies alright, but it is one of the lesser of the series. The enviromental message is really forced into the cranium and Mothra's fluffy design is honestly kinda distracting. Not to mention Godzilla has literally no reason to even be in this movie!

On the other hand, the effects are nice, the Cosmos are enjoyable and Battra is just edgy all over! But in a good way. :P
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Re: Talkback Thread #19: Godzilla vs. Mothra (1992)

Postby GojiDog » Mon Feb 24, 2020 9:28 am

The Indiana Jones references aren't a surprise as there is a history of American cinema influencing these films. James Bond clearly had an influence on Godzilla Vs. The Sea Monster, War of the Worlds clearly was an inspiration for The Mysterians, and just the year before this entry, Godzilla Vs. King Ghidorah obviously took inspiration from Terminator.

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Re: Talkback Thread #19: Godzilla vs. Mothra (1992)

Postby Kaiju-King42 » Mon Feb 24, 2020 2:08 pm

GojiDog wrote:The Indiana Jones references aren't a surprise as there is a history of American cinema influencing these films. James Bond clearly had an influence on Godzilla Vs. The Sea Monster, War of the Worlds clearly was an inspiration for The Mysterians, and just the year before this entry, Godzilla Vs. King Ghidorah obviously took inspiration from Terminator.


Not to mention a certain 1953 Ray Harryhausen movie... :angel:

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Re: Talkback Thread #19: Godzilla vs. Mothra (1992)

Postby Terasawa » Mon Feb 24, 2020 3:08 pm

GojiDog wrote:The Indiana Jones references aren't a surprise as there is a history of American cinema influencing these films. James Bond clearly had an influence on Godzilla Vs. The Sea Monster, War of the Worlds clearly was an inspiration for The Mysterians, and just the year before this entry, Godzilla Vs. King Ghidorah obviously took inspiration from Terminator.


I agree with you but I think the difference is that those references became much more overt in the Heisei era.
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Re: Talkback Thread #19: Godzilla vs. Mothra (1992)

Postby GojiDog » Mon Feb 24, 2020 6:54 pm

Terasawa wrote:
GojiDog wrote:The Indiana Jones references aren't a surprise as there is a history of American cinema influencing these films. James Bond clearly had an influence on Godzilla Vs. The Sea Monster, War of the Worlds clearly was an inspiration for The Mysterians, and just the year before this entry, Godzilla Vs. King Ghidorah obviously took inspiration from Terminator.


I agree with you but I think the difference is that those references became much more overt in the Heisei era.


That's true, and the Indy stuff in GVM is alot more obvious than most of the others, probably the most obvious.

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Re: Talkback Thread #19: Godzilla vs. Mothra (1992)

Postby Terasawa » Mon Feb 24, 2020 9:10 pm

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GojiDog wrote:The Indiana Jones references aren't a surprise as there is a history of American cinema influencing these films. James Bond clearly had an influence on Godzilla Vs. The Sea Monster, War of the Worlds clearly was an inspiration for The Mysterians, and just the year before this entry, Godzilla Vs. King Ghidorah obviously took inspiration from Terminator.


I agree with you but I think the difference is that those references became much more overt in the Heisei era.


That's true, and the Indy stuff in GVM is alot more obvious than most of the others, probably the most obvious.


Probably, yeah. But it's also pretty innocuous. There are two blatant Indiana Jones "homages" in Godzilla vs. Mothra: the opening temple sequence and the suspension bridge's collapse. Both happen relatively early in the film and have very little effect on the narrative. Takuya, as a character, isn't all that much like the Indiana Jones character.
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Re: Talkback Thread #19: Godzilla vs. Mothra (1992)

Postby SuperPawnageGigan » Thu Feb 27, 2020 5:22 am

The made mothra fluffy and cute. I like it but the prop is stiff.
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Re: Talkback Thread #19: Godzilla vs. Mothra (1992)

Postby ReiwaGodzilla » Thu Feb 27, 2020 6:30 am

SuperPawnageGigan wrote:The made mothra fluffy and cute. I like it but the prop is stiff.

Is this Mothra the most popular Mothra design out there? If so, the choices behind the design must have worked pretty well commercially.
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Re: Talkback Thread #19: Godzilla vs. Mothra (1992)

Postby Living Corpse » Thu Feb 27, 2020 12:00 pm

Gothicserpent wrote:The more I think about it, the final battle might be one of the best fights in the franchise.


Personally I think the fight between Battra's caterpillar form and Godzilla is one of the best fights. Once we go underwater it's a nice mix of both tooth & claw and energy attacks. Godzilla picking up up Battra by the tail and slamming him into an underwater volcano accidentally causing an eruption where they both get swallowed under the crust is so epic (in both sense of the word) it's burned into my mind.

For all it's faults, this movie had one of the best fights that wasn't purely just a beam spam match.

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SuperPawnageGigan wrote:The made mothra fluffy and cute. I like it but the prop is stiff.

Is this Mothra the most popular Mothra design out there? If so, the choices behind the design must have worked pretty well commercially.


Yeah as a kid I didn't really notice but as an adult, it's kind of embarrassing to realize the Showa versions were so much more life like in their movement, it's like what happened in the 90s? Thank god the Millennium series didn't have this problem, moves life like in those films.
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