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Re: Talkback Thread #17: Godzilla vs. Biollante (1989)

Postby Giga Kaiju » Fri Dec 02, 2011 3:34 pm

One of the first Heisei movies that i watched (Second to Ghidorah) also one of my favorites in all the franchise. i like the atmosphere and seriousness of it and how Godzilla was portrayed along with his battles with Biollante and Super XII (Best effects).
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Re: Talkback Thread #17: Godzilla vs. Biollante (1989)

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Re: Talkback Thread #17: Godzilla vs. Biollante (1989)

Postby Goji » Mon Dec 05, 2011 1:09 pm

Geezus, you'd watch VS. MOTHRA over this? I find that film to be much, MUCH more boring. Outside of the volcano sequence, Godzilla's brief tangle with Battra underwater (both which take up very little screen time) and the music score, I find it dreadfully dull, and uninspired.

As much as I personally enjoy BIOLLANTE, I agree with all of your points.

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Re: Talkback Thread #17: Godzilla vs. Biollante (1989)

Postby wrongnote85 » Mon Dec 05, 2011 2:05 pm

watched the american version the other night with my daughter. it was one of the few films that i was not familiar with at all, and sadly i was not very impressed. the action was pretty good between the two monsters, but the human characters were kinda lame and the plot,while promising, dragged a lot i felt.

i read some earlier posts ITT and it seems the japanese version is far superior. in what regards? editing? dialouge? pacing? also i had seen clips of a short stop motion action scene on YT that i did not see in the film i watched. any clues on that?

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Re: Talkback Thread #17: Godzilla vs. Biollante (1989)

Postby Space Hunter M » Mon Dec 05, 2011 2:32 pm

There's no difference in editing between the two "versions". The film was simply dubbed into English by Toho's international department in Hong Kong.
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Re: Talkback Thread #17: Godzilla vs. Biollante (1989)

Postby Goji » Mon Dec 05, 2011 2:48 pm

Toho's international department didn't do any actual dubbing themselves (For the 90's films, that would be Omni Productions), but they were probably instrumental in getting the film materials sent to Omni in Hong Kong, on time.

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Re: Talkback Thread #17: Godzilla vs. Biollante (1989)

Postby Arrow » Fri Dec 09, 2011 5:34 pm

wrongnote85 wrote:i read some earlier posts ITT and it seems the japanese version is far superior. in what regards? editing? dialouge? pacing? also i had seen clips of a short stop motion action scene on YT that i did not see in the film i watched. any clues on that?

The Japanese version is basically the same, except for the performances. The actors still sound completely bored to me, but at least it's nowhere near as terrible as the English dub.

The movie's still mediocre either way.

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Re: Talkback Thread #17: Godzilla vs. Biollante (1989)

Postby Huan_of_Valinor » Fri Dec 09, 2011 6:15 pm

but despite being a mediocre movie over all, it's probably still the best movie of the heisei series. I'm gonna write my full opinions on this movie after i rewatch it again.
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Re: Talkback Thread #17: Godzilla vs. Biollante (1989)

Postby Zornow13 » Sat Dec 10, 2011 11:59 pm

I've always loved this movie! Prob my 2nd favorite of the Heisei series ( after Mecha-G) I ABSOLUTLEY LOVE the Godzilla suit/design in this movie, he looks SO POWERFUL to me. I like how he spent sometime in amt Mihara, and then comes out not only unscathed, but bigger and more powerful than the last movie hahaha. Biollante is an AMAZING creature design as well, I call her the crocoflower haha. Love the Miki Saegusa character. my only real major issue with the movie is that the battles between the 2 monsters are'nt long enough for me. especially the final battle, that really could have been longer IMO.
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Re: Talkback Thread #17: Godzilla vs. Biollante (1989)

Postby DaddlerTheDalek » Wed Dec 14, 2011 3:17 pm

Best Heisei Movie & One of Best Godzilla Movies ever! :godzilla:
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Different version of Biollante (Different head?)

Postby pikmintaro » Sat Nov 17, 2012 2:08 am

I was looking on Google for images of Biollante, and I found this.

http://www.monstropedia.org/images/4/4b/Biollante.jpg

It looks pretty weird imo, I don't know if it's a photoshop or what, and when I looked in the concept art here I found something similar.

http://www.tohokingdom.com/concept_art/ ... ttle1.html

Does anybody know what the story is on this version of Biollante? is the first picture like a costume they actually had or what?
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Re: Different version of Biollante (Different head?)

Postby JAGzilla » Sat Nov 17, 2012 9:47 am

Kind of a cool look, but I prefer the one we got. It looks a lot more intimidating.

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Re: Different version of Biollante (Different head?)

Postby pikmintaro » Sat Nov 17, 2012 9:27 pm

Ok thanks for the information, I was wondering what it was.
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Re: Different version of Biollante (Different head?)

Postby Plexton » Sun Nov 18, 2012 3:52 pm

It's very cool and alien (not to mention closer to Biollante's initial form), but I prefer the final design as well; it more clearly evokes the idea that Biollante came from Godzilla's cells.

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Re: Different version of Biollante (Different head?)

Postby edgaguirus » Mon Nov 19, 2012 3:23 pm

That head says Arachis worm more than Godzilla. Still, it's one scary looking kaiju.
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Biollante's Popularity

Postby JVM » Fri Nov 23, 2012 12:31 am

I'm going to put a disclaimer here: I've only seen Biollante once, and it was a grainy bootleg DVD, after four or so years of knowing of it only from fandom secondhand, so obviously there's bias and interference. I do plan on rewatching on the Echo Bridge copy at release.

So, for the lack of a better terms, I'm curious what elevates Godzilla vs. Biollante aboard the rest of the Heisei series. I felt the film did drag in a similar way to it's successors and suffered from a lot of the same flaws, but it seems to be one of the most universally-loved films in the franchise. Ultimately, my question is what sets Biollante apart from the succeeding Heisei entries?

Again, I'm completely willing to chalk my issues up to bad viewing experience and this isn't a question of "I think this movie sucks and want to argue", I'm genuinely curious what I seem to have been missing out on.
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Re: Biollante's Popularity

Postby Arbok » Fri Nov 23, 2012 9:06 am

Biollante is probably the premiere popcorn flick of the Godzilla series. Lots of action from both the human cast and monsters, great special effects (a few shots don't hold up, but all in all still one of the more visually pleasing films in the series), a unique monster that makes what could have been a silly concept work (and I give major props for that), decent pacing and... well poor character development. However, much of the franchise has weak characterization, part of the problem with juggling giant monsters mostly removed from the human action, so it gets a slight pass compared to other entries.

I have a feeling Godzilla vs. Biollante will get slaughtered by a lot of people seeing it for the first time with the new release because it is so well liked and talked about by fans... and since the film is far from "high art", it's not going to meet a lot of expectations.

That said, the film remains my favorite Toho film, faults and all, and if I could only take one Toho film to a deserted island, it would be this.
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Re: Biollante's Popularity

Postby JAGzilla » Fri Nov 23, 2012 10:20 am

In addition to the aforementioned stuff, the awesome-looking Biogoji suit probably deserves a mention. It's roughly my second favorite G-suit, and from what I can tell, plenty of other people consider it one of the best.

The score stands out, too. It's very different from what we get in most of the other movies, but in a good way. It's memorable, and fits this movie well.

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Re: Biollante's Popularity

Postby Godzilla628 » Fri Nov 23, 2012 11:04 am

Before I watched this for the first time, I found it odd for Godzilla to fight a giant mutated plant,but after I watched I was so glad I did. It is now one of my favorite G films. The atmosphere is so much different than any of the other films. The score is also a refreshing experience. It fits the film really well. The suit is also one of my favorites. I think people like it so much because it is so different.

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Re: Biollante's Popularity

Postby XxComablack1937xX » Fri Nov 23, 2012 7:47 pm

Score = Awesome
Story = Unique, an well thought out in comparison to other G-films prior
Characters = Some can consider them a bore, but i found them interesting or at least fun to watch
Godzilla = The best suit of the series, Looks great an the roar is easily one of the best
Biollante = When you say Godzilla fights mutated flower sounds corny but they pulled it off greatly, The Crocodile looking second form was brilliant an stunning to see, also enjoy how she was just as innocent as Godzilla as far as monsters are created not to mention having Erica's spirit trapped in there at some points is a nice touch.
Super-X2 = Great model, the fire mirror was a great addition to it
Length = Some may say this is a fault an at some point's it can drag a little bit but not for long, not as long or boring as some films prior

So while it has it's faults like every film in the series, it is one of the better an more unique films or the franchise. Though it may not appeal to you it can't be denied that for a film that could have turned out ridiculous, overlong an completely cheesy they took a serious approach an pulled it off.


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