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Re: GODZILLA: Tristar Godzilla Film (1998)

Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2017 1:19 am
by Omegamorph
KaijuCanuck wrote:although probably by accident

Completely intentional

from the 1998 book companion

Emmerich: “we wanted to stay true to the essence of why Godzilla was created in the first place, which had to do with a lot of people’s fears of what was going on with weapons and radiation. You have to remember how the first Godzilla was created. The original was made in Japan shortly after World War II, and the devastation caused by the two nuclear bombs was obviously in the minds of the Japanese people. So, we kept that theme going. We really wanted to honor where it came from and yet start anew.”

Re: GODZILLA: Tristar Godzilla Film (1998)

Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2017 10:04 am
by eabaker
KaijuCanuck wrote:I'm going to say two nice things about this movie.

1. The opening sequence is masterful. I think I like it even better than the very similar one from LPG. I really love the way they make the bomb seem just as much a giant monster as the monster itself. Very respectful to the source material (although probably by accident), and it would be so awesome to see in an actual Godzilla movie. Also, if the rest of the film evoked that tone, it might have been more compelling (but still not a Godzilla film without getting the character right)


"Masterful" might be a bit of an overstatement, but definitely effective, and, yeah, the LPG sequence by contrast is perhaps a little too busy and audience-winking.

2. The way they derive Godzilla's name, with Kent Brockman literally mishearing 'Gojira', is hilarious, and I would gladly see it used again in another American adaption.


The problem for me is that it's spoiled by Audrey shouting the "correct" pronunciation but getting it so glaringly wrong herself.

Also, Sergeant O'Neil rocks, that guy's just doing his job and not bothering anybody. #teamo'neil


Never understood what people see in this character. You could basically split his lines up among a dozen bit players and it wouldn't make any difference to the narrative that I can see.

Re: GODZILLA: Tristar Godzilla Film (1998)

Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2017 11:23 am
by KaijuCanuck
eabaker wrote:
Also, Sergeant O'Neil rocks, that guy's just doing his job and not bothering anybody. #teamo'neil


Never understood what people see in this character. You could basically split his lines up among a dozen bit players and it wouldn't make any difference to the narrative that I can see.


I mean, yeah. But in a movie full of dumb, cartoony characters who do dumb, cartoony things, he comes across seeming the only one you can even a little bit relate to. Just a normal dude.

Re: GODZILLA: Tristar Godzilla Film (1998)

Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2017 11:25 am
by eabaker
KaijuCanuck wrote:
eabaker wrote:
Also, Sergeant O'Neil rocks, that guy's just doing his job and not bothering anybody. #teamo'neil


Never understood what people see in this character. You could basically split his lines up among a dozen bit players and it wouldn't make any difference to the narrative that I can see.


I mean, yeah. But in a movie full of dumb, cartoony characters who do dumb, cartoony things, he comes across seeming the only one you can even a little bit relate to. Just a normal dude.


I guess I never really perceived him as a character at all. There's nothing about him I can relate to, because there's nothing about him.

To whatever degree I relate to anyone in that movie (limited), it's probably Nick.

Re: GODZILLA: Tristar Godzilla Film (1998)

Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 2:14 pm
by Godzillian
I don't agree with the argument that "its a good monster movie! Just pretend it's not Godzilla. It's still a bad movie regardless.

Re: GODZILLA: Tristar Godzilla Film (1998)

Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 2:28 pm
by eabaker
Godzillian wrote:I don't agree with the argument that "its a good monster movie! Just pretend it's not Godzilla. It's still a bad movie regardless.


Agreed 100%. It's got a really solid set-up, but once the plot gets into motion, it quickly becomes evident that the filmmakers really had story to tell at all. There's no sense of narrative momentum, because, once the monster appears, the narrative has nowhere to go; it just kind of spins its wheels until the appropriate epic runtime has been reached and the monster can be unceremoniously dismissed.

Re: GODZILLA: Tristar Godzilla Film (1998)

Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 1:28 pm
by KaijuCanuck
Godzillian wrote:I don't agree with the argument that "its a good monster movie! Just pretend it's not Godzilla. It's still a bad movie regardless.


I just see it more as a cheesy multi-million dollar b movie I guess. There is some genuine fun to be had if you just shut your brain off. I can enjoy it on that level. I don't really think it's a 'good' movie.

Added in 8 hours 9 minutes 11 seconds:
You know, I'll say something else good about this movie. I think it significantly increased the size of the Godzilla fan base. I feel like so many fans of my generation found the Godzilla series through this movie. I watched that VHS tape over and over and over, and it made me want to rent anything else Godzilla at the video store, and once I got on the internet I suddenly found there was this whole word of 'kaiju' stuff out there. I think there were a lot of kids like me.

Re: GODZILLA: Tristar Godzilla Film (1998)

Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:50 pm
by LegendZilla
My dad has always been an adamant defender of this movie as it’s always been a guilty pleasure of his.

Re: GODZILLA: Tristar Godzilla Film (1998)

Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 6:34 am
by Maritonic
It's turning 20 this year, y'all. Damn does that make me feel old. I remember seeing all the ads and the incredible merchandising for the film. Theeeeen the disappointment haha. Anyone planning on revisiting this for it's 20th anniversary?

Re: GODZILLA: Tristar Godzilla Film (1998)

Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 11:13 am
by KManX89
Godzillian wrote:I don't agree with the argument that "its a good monster movie! Just pretend it's not Godzilla. It's still a bad movie regardless.


THANK YOU! Even if it wasn't called Godzilla, it still would've sucked, I've been saying this for ages, though it simply would've just been another dumb Roland Emmerich film instead of the abomination and slap in the face it is.

Watch Nostalgia Critic's review of GINO 98 where he exposes this POS film scene-by-scene as the dumpster fire it really is, yes, even as a standalone monster movie:



KaijuCanuck wrote:I just see it more as a cheesy multi-million dollar b movie I guess. There is some genuine fun to be had if you just shut your brain off. I can enjoy it on that level. I don't really think it's a 'good' movie.


Even in that context, it was trash. The action scenes really weren't all that amusing, he just constantly runs while the dumb military constantly misses all 300 feet of him, somehow, someway.

Re: GODZILLA: Tristar Godzilla Film (1998)

Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 11:49 am
by Kenpachiro Hirata
It's a good fun dumb blockbuster. If it wasn't called "Godzilla" I'd apretiate it much more.
But at least the animated series was cool.

Re: GODZILLA: Tristar Godzilla Film (1998)

Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 7:25 pm
by MechaGoji Bro7503
Maritonic wrote:It's turning 20 this year, y'all. Damn does that make me feel old. I remember seeing all the ads and the incredible merchandising for the film. Theeeeen the disappointment haha. Anyone planning on revisiting this for it's 20th anniversary?

Honestly, why not? Maybe on a free afternoon I will.... and then watch Monster Planet again to clean my mind. Man..... time really does fly by.

Re: GODZILLA: Tristar Godzilla Film (1998)

Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 7:17 am
by Maritonic
Kenpachiro Hirata wrote:It's a good fun dumb blockbuster. If it wasn't called "Godzilla" I'd apretiate it much more.
But at least the animated series was cool.


I look at it like a "Zilla" film, not a Godzilla film. And yeah, the animated series was the best thing to come out of this film, in my opinion. Great show.

Re: GODZILLA: Tristar Godzilla Film (1998)

Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 10:09 am
by Gerdzerl
If anything, this film at least had a great score, a good atmosphere, and fun monster scenes. That, and I feel that this version of Godzilla has the best roar of any incarnation to date. It takes everything I love about the 1962-1975 roar and remasters it perfectly.

Re: GODZILLA: Tristar Godzilla Film (1998)

Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 10:10 am
by eabaker
Gerdzerl wrote:If anything, this film at least had a great score, a good atmosphere, and fun monster scenes.


I agree about the score and atmosphere, which really help make the first half hour or so quite watchable. But fun monster scenes? Have to agree to disagree on that one. :)

Re: GODZILLA: Tristar Godzilla Film (1998)

Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 10:23 am
by Gerdzerl
eabaker wrote:
Gerdzerl wrote:If anything, this film at least had a great score, a good atmosphere, and fun monster scenes.


I agree about the score and atmosphere, which really help make the first half hour or so quite watchable. But fun monster scenes? Have to agree to disagree on that one. :)


Fair enough, that's probably just my nostalgia speaking for me, lol. :lol:

I guess it might be my own personal bias towards the designs for Godzilla and his offspring and the cinematography for them that might be why I like the monster scenes? I'm probably easily amused given I enjoy monster scenes in films if the aesthetics of said monster designs and the scenes they're in strike a particular chord with me, even if they actually suck from a critical/well-educated point of view. Probably why I enjoy 80's B-horror movies so much more than I would if I were well versed in academic film theory. :P

Re: GODZILLA: Tristar Godzilla Film (1998)

Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 10:25 am
by eabaker
Gerdzerl wrote:Probably why I enjoy 80's B-horror movies so much more than I would if I were well versed in academic film theory. :P


No, I assure you, those two things are not mutually exclusive. :D

Re: GODZILLA: Tristar Godzilla Film (1998)

Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:23 am
by JAGzilla
I'll be revisiting it sometime this year, yeah. It's been a while since I've seen it, and I don't know that my little brother and sister have ever seen more than bits and pieces of it, years ago.

It sucks horribly, yes, but I didn't know that when I was nine, and nostalgia keeps me coming back to it every so often. And it really does have its moments, most of them early on. Regarding the quality of the monster scenes, it does have Godzilla's initial 'attack' on New York, which offered a rare look at what a kaiju attack looks like from street level.

Re: GODZILLA: Tristar Godzilla Film (1998)

Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:29 am
by Ivo-goji
I like it in the respect that it's fun to make fun of.

I'm never actually going to watch it again if I have any choice in the matter.

Re: GODZILLA: Tristar Godzilla Film (1998)

Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:16 pm
by cloverfan98
I'm not going to lie nostalgia is a BIG reason why I love this film. All the hype and ads for the film hit me when I was 6 so I was the perfect audience for it and my first Godzilla toy was a Trendmasters G98 figure. But I do think that there is ALOT in this film that gets overlooked. As mentioned here the soundtrack and atmosphere are amazing. David Arnold is one of my favorite composers and the constant rain and darkness really adds an almost noir feel to it which is unique for a kaiju film. Jean Reno steals this film and while its not really played up as much as Biollante I love the storyline of espionage and almost a cold war happening in the background of a kaiju attack. Also the special effects really are great. If you've only seen the DVD I HIGHLY recommend picking up the Mastered In 4K Blu Ray. Apparently they did more than just upscale the film that went back and reprocessed the film.