GODZILLA: Tristar Godzilla Film (1998)
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Re: GODZILLA: Tristar Godzilla Film (1998)
Fun fact: Y'know how Godzilla disappears throughout New York even though the army really should have a better eye on him? Turns out he was going to legitimately camoflauge in this movie but it was cut!
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Re: GODZILLA: Tristar Godzilla Film (1998)
Interesting: this movie could have been even stupider.
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Re: GODZILLA: Tristar Godzilla Film (1998)
Eh cool ability but doesn’t make what happens in the film any less stupid
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Running and hiding, the most memorable parts of Godzilla's character! Honestly would have been a cool ability and works...on other dinosaurs. If I recall correctly, the film also briefly mentions Godzilla being able to dodge heat seeking missiles during the crystler scene.tyrantgoji wrote:Fun fact: Y'know how Godzilla disappears throughout New York even though the army really should have a better eye on him? Turns out he was going to legitimately camoflauge in this movie but it was cut!
https://youtu.be/NkNzkKzdcn4
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I think the idea of a camouflaged 200-foot monster is preposterous. No matter how good the camouflage it stands to reason that you'd be able to hear it and see the path of destruction it leaves behind.
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Re: GODZILLA: Tristar Godzilla Film (1998)
I mean that's obvious, but somehow the creature still is able to hide in NYC regardless...Terasawa wrote:I think the idea of a camouflaged 200-foot monster is preposterous. No matter how good the camouflage it stands to reason that you'd be able to hear it and see the path of destruction it leaves behind.
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So basically, G98 is a marine Iguana that somehow wound up in French Polynesia, got mutated into a giant monster that, aside from the arms, has the EXACT anatomy of a completely unrelated Theropod, runs at super speed, is asexual yet still somehow a male...and now apparently it originally was supposed to camouflage too?
Damn, so much for being "more realistic"
Gotta second the sentiment already voiced, I suppose it would have been a neat visual but it doesn't change the stupidity of the scene and makes it even more un-Godzilla than it already is. Which tbh makes sense as it appears that was very much the intention of everyone involved in the production lol. Makes me even more surprised at GTS getting away with so many "Godzilla being Godzilla" moments.
Damn, so much for being "more realistic"
Gotta second the sentiment already voiced, I suppose it would have been a neat visual but it doesn't change the stupidity of the scene and makes it even more un-Godzilla than it already is. Which tbh makes sense as it appears that was very much the intention of everyone involved in the production lol. Makes me even more surprised at GTS getting away with so many "Godzilla being Godzilla" moments.
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So, Emmerich and Devlin wanted G1998 to be Jurassic Park, Predator, a romantic comedy and lord knows what else, but NOT a Godzilla movie?tyrantgoji wrote:Fun fact: Y'know how Godzilla disappears throughout New York even though the army really should have a better eye on him? Turns out he was going to legitimately camoflauge in this movie but it was cut!
https://youtu.be/NkNzkKzdcn4
Skip to 12:03
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It’s interesting to note that one of the animated series episodes features a monster called The Chameleon. It seems like a brief take on what that Godzilla would have been like, and just as you would think it’s really dumb. Pretty much the the camo makes little sense especially considering how dense the city is.
The episode itself was decent however. One thing I’m starting to realize though, is despite being hyped up by the animated series fans, this Godzilla is still weak as shit. He rarely ever defeats monsters on his own. I reckon 75% of the monsters require some big Hail Mary from heat, or something else to be defeated. Case and point, the Chameleon monster I just mentioned was giving Godzilla a decent thrashing and actually a large special weapon made by Felipe that was used to kill it. It’s nice that Heat plays an integral role, but even this Godzilla Is not too powerful.
The episode itself was decent however. One thing I’m starting to realize though, is despite being hyped up by the animated series fans, this Godzilla is still weak as shit. He rarely ever defeats monsters on his own. I reckon 75% of the monsters require some big Hail Mary from heat, or something else to be defeated. Case and point, the Chameleon monster I just mentioned was giving Godzilla a decent thrashing and actually a large special weapon made by Felipe that was used to kill it. It’s nice that Heat plays an integral role, but even this Godzilla Is not too powerful.
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Yeah, and his heat ray rarely actually does something. Like, it doesn't even push enemies away . Though i'm not sure if this decision was out of keeping the bizarre and misguided "realistic" theme with Zilla or ratings potentially not allowing burning/exploding monsters.
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Unpopular opinion, I quite enjoyed the animated series, it's a shame the show ended after two seasons, the final episode is, well fine, but it is underwhelming as the final episode.
I liked a lot of the monsters that came out of it, but I do wish we could have gotten at least another toho monster.
I liked a lot of the monsters that came out of it, but I do wish we could have gotten at least another toho monster.
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I think that's actually a pretty popular opinion. Most fans seem to consider the show a silver lining around the cloud of a movie.
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I just watched this episode last night, as well as a handful others.cloverfan98 wrote:You also got to see the series take on other famous monsters. Nessie and they essentially had Godzilla fight John Carpenter's The Thing.
I like Trust No One, it's a good episode, and a great change of pace. For a kids show it's scary. However, I couldn't help but notice how ineffectual Godzilla actually is in the episode. Godzilla only shows up for the last two minutes of the episode. He briefly wrestles with Mimic, for a few seconds. It turns into fish, attacks Godzilla, then turns into a bee which stings him, and then a snake, before turning into Godzilla and then being beaten by HEAT. I'm not complaining about the "battle" itself. but I realized how few episodes have Godzilla actually beat the monster of the weak himself or actually require his involvement.
For example, in the Techno sentient (Juggernaut, the one with the alien that absorbs machinery) episode, the creature isn't beaten by Godzilla, Randy tricks the creature into launching into outer space. In "Lizard Season", the one where the hunters make a return, the lizard slayers aren't defeated by Godzilla, they're defeated by Heat making quick work and sabotaging the machines. For Chameleon, same thing, defeated by Felipe's weapon, not Godzilla. There's a few moments where Godzilla does defeat the monsters, like the King Cobra, and the Frozen Flying creature, but it's ridiculous how often HEAT does the real job.
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I did like seeing Godzilla fight "normal animals", and it was a bit dark seeing the man in the beginning presumably being mauled by the mimic dog and Monique almost crushed to death by the mimic snake.
My brother and I were joking about how Nick really had no idea which Godzilla was his, and just took a shot, hoping it was the right one.
Also I would have liked to see more of that petrification gun Felipe used in the Chameleon episode.
My brother and I were joking about how Nick really had no idea which Godzilla was his, and just took a shot, hoping it was the right one.
Also I would have liked to see more of that petrification gun Felipe used in the Chameleon episode.
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Unless I'm wrong, the guy that gets mauled might be the only fatality of the series. I forget if they state or show if he is alive.UltimateDitto wrote:I did like seeing Godzilla fight "normal animals", and it was a bit dark seeing the man in the beginning presumably being mauled by the mimic dog and Monique almost crushed to death by the mimic snake.
My brother and I were joking about how Nick really had no idea which Godzilla was his, and just took a shot, hoping it was the right one.
Also I would have liked to see more of that petrification gun Felipe used in the Chameleon episode.
I get that this is a kids show airing on Saturday mornings, but you see so clearly how constrained they were with violence. EVERYONE lives and EVERYONE is given either a visual or verbal situation they are alive. Watch any scene with the army. Any time a helicopter is destroyed, they visibly show the personnel get out. Sometimes, monsters keep people alive for no reason, capturing them or putting them in a case of stasis even when it makes sense. The instant you notice or know this, it becomes INCREDIBLY distracting.
I wonder if anyone has made fan edits of the TV show. I could see some fan edits of the show improving the quality. Cutting out some of the more childish humor, cutting out some of the filler and the "hey look they survived moments". I'm not saying that the show needs to be very dark to be good, but the show often does a good job at setting up tense moments only to instantly make them seem like it's nothing.
I want to be clear, I like the show. Not as much as the Toho films, but I think it's a fun romp and occasionally is really good.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again: when Saturday morning cartoons were forced to become "educational and informational" because of Standards and Practices (an organization which never should've even been thought up, let alone created), it did those same cartoons absolutely no favors.LSD Jellyfish wrote:Unless I'm wrong, the guy that gets mauled might be the only fatality of the series. I forget if they state or show if he is alive.UltimateDitto wrote:I did like seeing Godzilla fight "normal animals", and it was a bit dark seeing the man in the beginning presumably being mauled by the mimic dog and Monique almost crushed to death by the mimic snake.
My brother and I were joking about how Nick really had no idea which Godzilla was his, and just took a shot, hoping it was the right one.
Also I would have liked to see more of that petrification gun Felipe used in the Chameleon episode.
I get that this is a kids show airing on Saturday mornings, but you see so clearly how constrained they were with violence. EVERYONE lives and EVERYONE is given either a visual or verbal situation they are alive. Watch any scene with the army. Any time a helicopter is destroyed, they visibly show the personnel get out. Sometimes, monsters keep people alive for no reason, capturing them or putting them in a case of stasis even when it makes sense. The instant you notice or know this, it becomes INCREDIBLY distracting.
I wonder if anyone has made fan edits of the TV show. I could see some fan edits of the show improving the quality. Cutting out some of the more childish humor, cutting out some of the filler and the "hey look they survived moments". I'm not saying that the show needs to be very dark to be good, but the show often does a good job at setting up tense moments only to instantly make them seem like it's nothing.
I want to be clear, I like the show. Not as much as the Toho films, but I think it's a fun romp and occasionally is really good.
This is why shows like Space Ghost and Dino Boy and The Herculoids were cancelled after one season, why shows like Super Friends were made (in which characters like Batman, a master fighter, could no longer even punch anyone, we got the old trite saying "Brain power is always superior to brute strength" (try using that philosophy in real life and you'll only get yourself killed) and Aquaman was turned into a joke for many years (a fate he still has to live with)) and why we got so many clones of both Scooby Doo Where Are You! and The Smurfs ad infinitum and ad nauseum. After all that, it's no wonder that it was mostly overkill that finally ended the whole genre.
If those "concerned" parents and teachers had just left well enough alone in the first place (not every kid is going to be stupid enough to copy what cartoon characters do or do violent things to other people just because they saw it on TV - I mean, lots of kids know the difference between what's real and what's not and they're smarter than adults think they are), we might still have decent Saturday morning cartoons today. Instead, the kids have nothing and the networks give nothing. It's just not fair for anyone and no one wins in the end, except perhaps the self-appointed moral guardians who practically created the 11th Commandment ("Thou shalt not do anything I don't like to do").
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I’d imagine that has more relevance to the HB show than Godzilla the series.
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Also we can complain about censorship limiting creative children’s shows but that’s only true to a certain extent. Obviously the level it existed during the 60s-70s was ridiculous, but even when we think it goes away that’s not entirely true. Batman tas was pretty famous for using inventive ways to get around restrictions, which in some ways improved the show. So you can have a great show that still has to conform to restrictions, it’s just that the more creative people will find ways to not let it ruin their works. But obviously this isn’t always the case.
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I was a little disappointed when the Giant Gila Monster wasn't kaiju sized, i mean being the size of a grizzly bear is huge, but I thought that was going to be the monster Godzilla fought in the Area 51 episode.
Then again I guess it would be redundant to have another monster use venom on Godzilla.
Then again I guess it would be redundant to have another monster use venom on Godzilla.
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Re: GODZILLA: Tristar Godzilla Film (1998)
Finished the animated series. I have a lot of positives to say, but also negatives. Generally speaking the series occasionally has some whacky or interesting ideas with monsters of the week.
One thing I noticed however, is how reliant the show is on generic "large insect/creature". It feels like any episode with a non-standard monster has a lot more time and thought put into it plot-wise. IE, the one with the Crackler, the Dragmas or Juggernaut. I wish the series had more re-occuring monsters like the C-Rex. I had a realization of how few monsters in the series are actually "Kaiju-sized". Many monsters are only half Godzilla's size and it's rare there's a big fight between two larger creatures. Kinda lame. Heat argues and fights wayyyyy too much and there's times you just wish you could see them be nice to each other.
I also wish the show had more inter-episode arcs. What I mean by that is that often there's episodes that could have more impact and be better if they were two episodes instead of one. "End of the Line" (the one with the big turtle and the female Godzilla), and DRAGMA are good examples. The show being constrained in 20 odd minutes is really good because a lot of episodes have a brisk pace and little filler, but then there's episodes that feel like things are quickly rushed over and could have used more time to been elaborated on. Honestly, there's also few genuinely good fights in the series.
I understand the show was sort of cancelled, but it's a big disappointing how some things never get resolved. Cameron Winters never has a final moment, and the thing about the "Third-Wave" is never resolved. S.C.A.L.E. was a good episode, but again it felt like they were working towards something greater with Monster Island.
Also as an aside, the Area 51 episode makes little sense. The entire thing revolves around an alien conspiracy, and the characters make fun of Elsie for being interested in aliens...despite aliens attacking and invading Earth just three months prior.
I would call the series frustrating. You can see a lot of thought was put behind the monster designs (at least the ones that aren't just large animals), and that they had a lot of fun. But you can totally see how the shows format, violence restrictions, and other things seriously hampered it. Honestly, it's a good blue-print of what a nice Godzilla cartoon/anime could be if it became a monster of the week series.
One thing I noticed however, is how reliant the show is on generic "large insect/creature". It feels like any episode with a non-standard monster has a lot more time and thought put into it plot-wise. IE, the one with the Crackler, the Dragmas or Juggernaut. I wish the series had more re-occuring monsters like the C-Rex. I had a realization of how few monsters in the series are actually "Kaiju-sized". Many monsters are only half Godzilla's size and it's rare there's a big fight between two larger creatures. Kinda lame. Heat argues and fights wayyyyy too much and there's times you just wish you could see them be nice to each other.
I also wish the show had more inter-episode arcs. What I mean by that is that often there's episodes that could have more impact and be better if they were two episodes instead of one. "End of the Line" (the one with the big turtle and the female Godzilla), and DRAGMA are good examples. The show being constrained in 20 odd minutes is really good because a lot of episodes have a brisk pace and little filler, but then there's episodes that feel like things are quickly rushed over and could have used more time to been elaborated on. Honestly, there's also few genuinely good fights in the series.
I understand the show was sort of cancelled, but it's a big disappointing how some things never get resolved. Cameron Winters never has a final moment, and the thing about the "Third-Wave" is never resolved. S.C.A.L.E. was a good episode, but again it felt like they were working towards something greater with Monster Island.
Also as an aside, the Area 51 episode makes little sense. The entire thing revolves around an alien conspiracy, and the characters make fun of Elsie for being interested in aliens...despite aliens attacking and invading Earth just three months prior.
I would call the series frustrating. You can see a lot of thought was put behind the monster designs (at least the ones that aren't just large animals), and that they had a lot of fun. But you can totally see how the shows format, violence restrictions, and other things seriously hampered it. Honestly, it's a good blue-print of what a nice Godzilla cartoon/anime could be if it became a monster of the week series.