Essay: Why G vs. SG is the best of the Hesei films

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Re: Essay: Why G vs. SG is the best of the Hesei films

Postby Mincecraft » Sun Jul 15, 2012 7:12 am

^Well I still think it deserves more praise than it gets.
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Re: Essay: Why G vs. SG is the best of the Hesei films

Postby Gojira1963 » Sun Jul 15, 2012 9:11 am

I watched Final Wars last night. It has really grown on me. At first I didn't like the movie, it isn't mainstream in any sense, but as I understood the purpose of the movie, a celebration of the franchise and a modern telling of a Showa type of movie then it really began to grown on me to the point where I do like it quite a bit.
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Re: Essay: Why G vs. SG is the best of the Hesei films

Postby Rody » Sun Jul 15, 2012 9:46 am

I'm waiting for one of the veteran members to post a counter-argument....
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Re: Essay: Why G vs. SG is the best of the Hesei films

Postby Godzilla165 » Sun Jul 15, 2012 7:50 pm

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Re: Essay: Why G vs. SG is the best of the Hesei films

Postby Reaper Man » Sun Jul 15, 2012 9:46 pm

Good essay, even if I don't agree that it's the best one.
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Re: Essay: Why G vs. SG is the best of the Hesei films

Postby Tamura » Mon Jul 16, 2012 9:11 am

SoleMan wrote:And I didn't really like Final Wars, even when I was kid. Is that what you want me to write about, or what? I'm not big on requests...


Besides, how can anyone defend GFW?
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Re: Essay: Why G vs. SG is the best of the Hesei films

Postby ghidorasauras » Mon Jul 16, 2012 9:22 am

^ If can defend G vs SG he might be able to defend FW
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Re: Essay: Why G vs. SG is the best of the Hesei films

Postby Gojira1963 » Mon Jul 16, 2012 10:31 am

Tamura wrote:
SoleMan wrote:And I didn't really like Final Wars, even when I was kid. Is that what you want me to write about, or what? I'm not big on requests...


Besides, how can anyone defend GFW?


I can defend GFW. People may not agree with me but I can offer a reasonable and understandable defense.
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Re: Essay: Why G vs. SG is the best of the Hesei films

Postby Sydney Aradi » Mon Jul 16, 2012 11:33 am

^Then tell us then ;)
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Re: Essay: Why G vs. SG is the best of the Hesei films

Postby SuperSaiyan4Godzilla » Mon Jul 16, 2012 11:33 am

In the appropriate topic.
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Re: Essay: Why G vs. SG is the best of the Hesei films

Postby Gojira1963 » Mon Jul 16, 2012 11:58 am

Sydney Aradi wrote:^Then tell us then ;)

Tomorrow I will start a new thread with my review/defense of GFW.

Where shall I place my review? It isn't technically a millennium film is it?
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Re: Essay: Why G vs. SG is the best of the Hesei films

Postby Sydney Aradi » Mon Jul 16, 2012 12:28 pm

Gojira1963 wrote:
Sydney Aradi wrote:^Then tell us then ;)

Tomorrow I will start a new thread with my review/defense of GFW.

Where shall I place my review? It isn't technically a millennium film is it?


Its a Millennium film and we have a forum for Millennium Godzilla films
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Re: Essay: Why G vs. SG is the best of the Hesei films

Postby Gojira1963 » Tue Jul 17, 2012 8:33 am

Just to let you all know my defense of Godzilla: Final Wars is up in the proper forum.

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Re: Essay: Why G vs. SG is the best of the Hesei films

Postby Legion1979 » Sat Jul 21, 2012 8:44 am

Rody wrote:I'm waiting for one of the veteran members to post a counter-argument....


Maybe no one feels it's worth it. Counter arguing why Space Godzilla is a terrible film is just TOO easy.
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Re: Essay: Why G vs. SG is the best of the Hesei films

Postby Cimmerian Dragon » Sat Jul 21, 2012 11:13 am

^ And like analyzing the flaws of Final Wars, it's exhausting at this point. Everyone has just plain critiqued-themselves out in other threads.
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Re: Essay: Why G vs. SG is the best of the Hesei films

Postby ebirahsmeg1 » Sun Jul 22, 2012 8:20 am

Cimmerian Dragon wrote:^ And like analyzing the flaws of Final Wars, it's exhausting at this point. Everyone has just plain critiqued-themselves out in other threads.


Yeah, this is really yesterday's "been there, done that" news....and no amount of arguing/counter-arguing on either side is going to change anyone's minds about whether it's a good/bad film...
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Re: Essay: Why G vs. SG is the best of the Hesei films

Postby Gojira1963 » Sun Jul 22, 2012 1:00 pm

ebirahsmeg1 wrote:Yeah, this is really yesterday's "been there, done that" news....and no amount of arguing/counter-arguing on either side is going to change anyone's minds about whether it's a good/bad film...


Liking any artistic endeavor is going to be subjective. I have learned that how I talk about my preferences and opinions is what is key.

For example, I can say "SpaceGodzilla is the best Godzilla movie of all time." But you see I am stating my opinion as if it were a universal fact and people can argue that point. However, if I were to say "I absolutely love SpaceGodzilla better than any other Godzilla movie!" then I am stating something that is only true for me and that isn't something anyone can argue about.

The problem isn't our opinions, it is when we state our opinions as if they were a fact for everyone.

That's enough from me, that is the trained therapist in me coming out. :)
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Re: Essay: Why G vs. SG is the best of the Hesei films

Postby SoleMan » Mon Jul 23, 2012 12:16 pm

Yeah, the title is pretty egotistical, but it's kind of a joke...just say it yourself out of context, you might laugh.
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Re: Essay: Why G vs. SG is the best of the Hesei films

Postby ScootaVaran » Tue Jul 24, 2012 6:50 pm

So I treid watching this movie last night. Was watching all Heisei movies on crackle.
I have to admit I couldn't get though the first hour.
I had to turn it off and put in Matango.

Sry Gojira63 your essay was great and it made me give GvSG another try. I just couldn't make through.
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Re: Essay: Why G vs. SG is the best of the Hesei films

Postby kpa » Tue Jul 24, 2012 10:28 pm

Why does it succeed where so many others fail?


It doesn't. GvsSG is one of those movies that even the filmmakers admit dropped the ball. Toho was the theatrical distributor of GAMERA: GUARDIAN OF THE UNIVERSE (released a few months after GvsSG), and when they saw the final cut of that film they were embarrassed at how much it showed up their own movie. They even scrambled to rework the in-development DESTOROYAH so they would have another SPACEGODZILLA.

The movie was considered a disappointment by Toho, got poor reviews from critics and audiences, and to this day is widely viewed by fans as the worst film in the Heisei Series. That ain't a success.
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