How does Moguera conpare to MechaGodzilla?

[miguelnuva]

I asked this question because I wasn't to sure where Moguera fits in with the rest of the heisei cast.

In their first encounter MechaGodzilla was beating Godzilla but in the second encounter Godzilla is winning in till MechaGodzilla goes SuperMechaGodzilla.

Anyway the GDF states that Moguera can kill Godzilla something that only SMG could do up to that point so G-force must know what it takes to kill Godzilla so is G-force overestimating Moguera or how does he compare to

MechaGodzilla and SMG?

[Infinity]

They are both quite powerful in the sense that they have powerful weapons and good armor. However, SMG energy absorbing armor still gives him an edge over Mogs armor, which was not so impressive seeing how he kept going offline throughout the battle. MOGs doesn't have too many weapons either. His SGM and chest beam are his only powerful weapons. His eye lasers aren't anything above the level of MG's own eyebeams or the garuda beams and that drill opens him up to be vulnerable from any kaiju with half decent CQC skills.

[Living Corpse]

Moguera is a surprisingly effective replacement for Mecahgodzilla. When it used some of it's weapons on Spacegodzilla while he was fighting Godzilla some of the weapons still caused Godzilla to fall over from an indirect hit. The second time it fought Spacegodzilla it started the battle when the sun was still up with Godzilla not joining in until some time later in the dark. Also both Spacegodzilla and Mogera had been destroyed shortly just before dawn so Moguera had been taking punishment for several hours.

Really the only reason so many people think Moguera has bad duability is because he lost his first fight against Spacegodzilla in minutes and that was only because of the EMP waves Spacegodzilla was giving off which would have easily done the same thing to Mechagodzilla. In the second fight they gave the machine upgrades to deal with that and other then a few minor glitches (read:sparks) it did just fine and lasted for several hours. Had his first mission been against any other organic monster that didn't have such a cheap plot power like Rodan, Battra or even Godzilla himself he would have held his own just fine and give them some black eyes or worse.

And his abaillity to split in two would be useful should it ever need to take down two targets at once. He's by no means better then Mechagodzilla, in fact a step down, but to totally dismiss him as being useless would be unwise. It's still dangerously effective in it's own right and a good enough replacement.

[Tyler]

Moguera was meant to be this powerful successor to Mechagodzilla and he was just... kinda goofy.

[Tohosaurus]

Moguera is a surprisingly effective replacement for Mecahgodzilla. When it used some of it's weapons on Spacegodzilla while he was fighting Godzilla some of the weapons still caused Godzilla to fall over from an indirect hit. The second time it fought Spacegodzilla it started the battle when the sun was still up with Godzilla not joining in until some time later in the dark. Also both Spacegodzilla and Mogera had been destroyed shortly just before dawn so Moguera had been taking punishment for several hours.

Really the only reason so many people think Moguera has bad duability is because he lost his first fight against Spacegodzilla in minutes and that was only because of the EMP waves Spacegodzilla was giving off which would have easily done the same thing to Mechagodzilla. In the second fight they gave the machine upgrades to deal with that and other then a few minor glitches (read:sparks) it did just fine and lasted for several hours. Had his first mission been against any other organic monster that didn't have such a cheap plot power like Rodan, Battra or even Godzilla himself he would have held his own just fine and give them some black eyes or worse.

And his abaillity to split in two would be useful should it ever need to take down two targets at once. He's by no means better then Mechagodzilla, in fact a step down, but to totally dismiss him as being useless would be unwise. It's still dangerously effective in it's own right and a good enough replacement.

All of this, and ...

Moguera was meant to be this powerful successor to Mechagodzilla and he was just... kinda goofy.

This. The original Moguera looks pretty goofy by today's standards but the redesign really didn't improve much. It looked pretty toy-ish, chintzy, and even goofy. It's not something you can take too seriously from an aesthetic standpoint. The concept art doesn't really looked much better either (worse in some cases).

[wrongnote85]

Moguera was meant to be this powerful successor to Mechagodzilla and he was just... kinda goofy.

cannot disagree with this at all.

growing up in the mid 80's thru the 90's as a fan of godzilla all i ever knew about were the showa godzilla films, and not even olive them. i missed out on several classics like DAM for years. and i said the godzilla films only, so no varan, no mysterians, none of that shit. the most recent film i was aware of until about 1998, with the exception of the american film, was the 84 film. thats it. and this was before the days of the internet so this type of information was only available in specialty magazines and whatnot at the time, and access to these were very limited.

around the same time that the american film came out i remember a bunch of godzilla toys coming out. by this time i was too old to be interested in toys, but my younger brother ended up with a few of them. i remember looking at the boxes and seeing a bunch of monsters that i had never seen or heard of before, like battra and destroya. and mechagodzilla toys that did NOT look like the MG that i knew, and even this wild looking thing called mecha king ghidorha. (that one really blew my mind)

i remember thinking that maybe they just kept making toys and introduced new characters through the toy line. in never occurred to me that maybe they had kept making films the whole time with all these new monsters and redesigns.

it was looking at these toy boxes that i first saw moguera, and what a goofy looking thing it was. i seriously remember thinking ''man, why is that thing even there, it's sooo stupid looking!"

years have gone by and i've had a chance to see most of these films and learn about all these crazy monsters i missed out on as a kid. looking back it's kinda weird to think that my knowledge of the whole godzilla universe that i thought i knew so deeply (i was skreeonk OBSESSED as a little kid) was VERY incomplete, in hindsight. it's cool to have finally caught up with a lot of it now, and share this whole godzilla thing with my daughter, relive some old memories, and enjoy giant monsters beating the crap out of each other.

but moguera is still really stupid looking.

[Kaiju-King42]

Moguera doesn't look all that stupid to me. It looks like a generic mech.

[Living Corpse]

I like him. It was a nice break to get a "new" mech that wasn't Mechagodzilla. Does he look goofy? Sure but then again this is a film dealing with an evil space clone from a black hole. The whole film is just goofy, and the Pills-berry Dough Boy doesn't help either.

[wrongnote85]

goddamn, i really space out there on the keyboard.

[Space Hunter M]

One's a dull and boring 90s mecha while the other is a silly-looking dull and boring 90s mecha. Big difference right there.

[SuperSaiyan4Godzilla]

MOGUERA seems to be a more practical mech than MechaGodzilla. When considering a mech, you have to keep in mind that it may not be able to function effectively in close range combat. Moguera was a long ranged mech with an arsenal that could easy hold Godzilla back and effectively injure or deter him.

MechaGodzilla seemingly lacked the weapons to do this. At least, in his first iteration. Super MechaGodzilla could have possibly killed Godzilla (when his brain is destroyed, that's up to what you think). However, this was his second iteration and needed an upgrade. If the Garuda is destroyed, MechaGodzilla would lack the fire power to destroy Godzilla. Possibly.

Moguera had this fire power and more. His transformations into an aircraft and subterranean assault tank would give the mech different ways to battle and elude Godzilla.

[godzilla898]

His arsenal may be more practical, but his design certainly isn't.

[SuperSaiyan4Godzilla]

His arsenal may be more practical, but his design certainly isn't.

How?

I mean, designing a mech after Godzilla isn't too practical either.

[godzilla898]

MOGUERA especially seems kinda wonky to me. The rocket tail and the numerous saw blades could easily have been redesigned. For something that fights monstrously powerful giants, it seems to have a lot of parts that can be snapped off.

[edgaguirus]

Moguera's arsenal was effectively holding off SG, but those spiral grenades could kill most second tier monsters easily. Being able to split does increase your attack options. Moguera's armor, however, could be improved. Mechagodzilla's armor had the big advantage of using a monster's own energy against it, and the ray it fired floored Godzilla. Moguera was a good successor, but MG was the better weapon.

[Bentley]

MOGUERA especially seems kinda wonky to me. The rocket tail and the numerous saw blades could easily have been redesigned. For something that fights monstrously powerful giants, it seems to have a lot of parts that can be snapped off.

It can be seen as a tactical advantage, keeping the monsters from grappling the main body of the mecha, since being toppled by the beast it's a lot worse than losing a marginal part.

[Infinity]

I'm surprised people are complaining about the practical existence of these two robots. If anyone has ever played this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YR_ym3Gj2vE

You would know that building giant Mechas out of scrap metal of Tanks and other War Machines has been quite a practical idea, as far as sci-fi weapons go. Also, why don't we root it to King Ghidorah/MechaKing Ghidorah, who brought the technology to build these massive mechas? How was it practical for the futurians to make King Ghidorah, and then revive him into MechaKing Ghidorah? Surely the futurians are not aliens , and the timeline insinuated an era of economic depression for the Futurians.

[SuperSaiyan4Godzilla]

I'm surprised people are complaining about the practical existence of these two robots. If anyone has ever played this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YR_ym3Gj2vE

You would know that building giant Mechas out of scrap metal of Tanks and other War Machines has been quite a practical idea, as far as sci-fi weapons go. Also, why don't we root it to King Ghidorah/MechaKing Ghidorah, who brought the technology to build these massive mechas? How was it practical for the futurians to make King Ghidorah, and then revive him into MechaKing Ghidorah? Surely the futurians are not aliens , and the timeline insinuated an era of economic depression for the Futurians.

They suggest that Japan becomes the most powerful country in the world, buying up continents. It can be insinuated that the Japanese created Mecha-King Ghidorah because Japan had the technology (Remember, GvKG creates a time loop that is important to the structure of the timeline. By going back in time with MKG, the Futurians gave the tech to make mechs and eventually cyborgs, as seen by MKG). I think we can trace MKG's origin to Japan. After all, the girl was Japanese and the Japanese had the tech to build mechs because of their past.

The Dorats are said to be household pets. I see no reason to think otherwise. Sure, the Futurians could have lied. Thus, that makes the dorats three animals specifically bred for mutation by an organization that had the funds to BUILD A TIME MACHINE. I don't think that make three little animals was much to them.

And I love the BattleTech series for their mostly-practical mech designs.

[Infinity]

I love the BattleTech series for their mostly-practical mech designs.

Have you seen the Fafnir or the Atlas in the series (M4 perticularly)?

Those things are overkill in terms of weaponry and design. How is MOGs and Mechagodzilla any more impractical than them? All of them are giant Mechs with Missiles and Rockets. The only thing thats a bit over the top is Mog's ability to split into two vehicles, or SMG's telekentic G-crushers, but with movies like Terminator 3 and 4 showing off the completely impossible, I just don't think its fair to consider these two mechs as so impractical.

[SuperSaiyan4Godzilla]

I love the BattleTech series for their mostly-practical mech designs.

Have you seen the Fafnir or the Atlas in the series (M4 perticularly)?

Those things are overkill in terms of weaponry and design. How is MOGs and Mechagodzilla any more impractical than them? All of them are giant Mechs with Missiles and Rockets. The only thing thats a bit over the top is Mog's ability to split into two vehicles, or SMG's telekentic G-crushers, but with movies like Terminator 3 and 4 showing off the completely impossible, I just don't think its fair to consider these two mechs as so impractical.

Form follows function, lets keep that in mind.

As a basic function, you could say that MechaGodzilla and Moguera fill the "walking weapon" role in any iteration (spare, perhaps, Kiryu). Except that don't do that much walking (or treading, like Moguera). A mech is meant to be able to travel places where a wheeled/tread vehicle cannot go and still carry its firepower. MechaGodzilla, as a walker, does not do this very much. And Moguera has treads, so that rules him out in mobility. Both of these mechs show incredibly limited mobility. Other ones, like BattleMechs, Gundams, Metal Gears, and Votoms share more mobility even with amazing payloads.

But some of MechaGodzilla and Moguera's features make no sense whatsoever. Why do we need a giant mechanical dinosaur? Why do we need a razor-backed bird? The designs of the mechs make no practical sense.

If MechaGodzilla were more like, oh, Metal Gear REX/RAY, than it would make sense. Basing a mech off an amphibious dinosaur would give it amazing possibilities for amphibious functions.

And the Fafnir mech would be a fantastic long-ranged mech with those giant guns and such. It seems heavily armored and decently mobile. Atlas...well, that's one for creativity's sake. That, a mech that can carry heavy loads and assault at close range would be worthwhile.