Iris' Gender

[Tyler]

Here's where you can find that sketch, if the link works
http://www.angelfire.com/film/guardian_ ... dex_2.html

[Kaiju-King42]

Here's where you can find that sketch, if the link works
http://www.angelfire.com/film/guardian_ ... dex_2.html

Penis tail? A SHREEONK PENIS TAIL???

I rest my case. Irys is a male.

[godzilla898]

Here's where you can find that sketch, if the link works
http://www.angelfire.com/film/guardian_ ... dex_2.html

Penis tail? A SHREEONK PENIS TAIL???
I rest my case. Irys is a male.

I can't find the image. I poked around the site a bit, still didn't see it. Direct link please?

[Terrier]

Here's where you can find that sketch, if the link works
http://www.angelfire.com/film/guardian_ ... dex_2.html

Penis tail? A SHREEONK PENIS TAIL???
I rest my case. Irys is a male.

I can't find the image. I poked around the site a bit, still didn't see it. Direct link please?

Production sketches > "Another production sketch of the Baby Iris. I'm guessing this is what Iris looked like after it tried to absorb Ayana's nervous system in Iris' cave"

http://www.angelfire.com/film/guardian_ ... ideas2.jpg

[Cimmerian Dragon]

The penis tail certainly isn't subtle, is it?

Of course, somewhere prior to production, they did some major revamping (though the baby's head...). I still think that Iris' final form has a distinctly feminine shape. You can see the breasts, and the corset well in the other concept shots, and the heels are easily visible elsewhere; Perhaps the distinct difference between the two forms lends more credence to the hermaphroditic concept. It begins as a male, attempts to absorb Ayana, and the next time we see it, it's become more feminine. Maybe this "Ultimate-Gyoas" form doesn't possess the biology to reproduce, and that is what it's is trying to achieve.

[Kaiju-King42]

The penis tail certainly isn't subtle, is it?

Of course, somewhere prior to production, they did some major revamping (though the baby's head...). I still think that Iris' final form has a distinctly feminine shape. You can see the breasts, and the corset well in the other concept shots, and the heels are easily visible elsewhere; Perhaps the distinct difference between the two forms lends more credence to the hermaphroditic concept. It begins as a male, attempts to absorb Ayana, and the next time we see it, it's become more feminine. Maybe this "Ultimate-Gyoas" form doesn't possess the biology to reproduce, and that is what it's is trying to achieve.

So your saying that Iris was a male, spent the night with Ayana, and BAM, turned into a female? Crap, Moribe has a dark future...

[Terrier]

Here's where you can find that sketch, if the link works
http://www.angelfire.com/film/guardian_ ... dex_2.html

Penis tail? A SHREEONK PENIS TAIL???

I rest my case. Irys is a male.

I don't know about that, the alien from "Alien" for example, is pretty much a walking rapist penis, yet I have seen it being refered to as female; though it may be just for the creepy factor (Though Giger's concept art of the creature was certainly more femenine; and interestingly enough the Alien Queen by Stan Wiston and James Cameron does have "heels").

[Cimmerian Dragon]

So your saying that Iris was a male, spent the night with Ayana, and BAM, turned into a female? Crap, Moribe has a dark future...

Iris does change substantially during the course of the film. Whether that represents the natural maturation process for...whatever it is, or represents continuing mutation in an effort to perfect itself is not really clear.

The Xeno is a good example of nebulous gender. It was designed to evoke both genders simultaneously, and yet I have heard them referred to as a completely female race in various sources, and Giger's original designs do lean much more feminine (even while emphasizing the phallic appearance of the elongated head). It seems that part of the horror may have been in equipping a bunch of women with mobile, man-raping penises. That's one sure-fire way to terrify every male on the planet, turning his favorite appendage against him.

[SuperSaiyan4Godzilla]

The penis tail certainly isn't subtle, is it?

Of course, somewhere prior to production, they did some major revamping (though the baby's head...). I still think that Iris' final form has a distinctly feminine shape. You can see the breasts, and the corset well in the other concept shots, and the heels are easily visible elsewhere; Perhaps the distinct difference between the two forms lends more credence to the hermaphroditic concept. It begins as a male, attempts to absorb Ayana, and the next time we see it, it's become more feminine. Maybe this "Ultimate-Gyoas" form doesn't possess the biology to reproduce, and that is what it's is trying to achieve.

Do you recall that "sexual nightmare" discussion we had awhile back?

Yep. Gotta love it.

[Tyler]

I just realized even the baby Iris is kinda phallic too, with the shell and neck...

But on the Alien, is was meant to be as androgynous as possible. It was originally meant to complete its own life cycle by turning people into eggs. But this wasn't used in the final film so Cameron was allowed to come up with the Queen, which made them much more like termites.

[Cimmerian Dragon]

Do you recall that "sexual nightmare" discussion we had awhile back?

Yep. Gotta love it.

Sure do, but that "fun-with-phallus" concept art was actually new to me (or if not, I forgot about it).

I just realized even the baby Iris is kinda phallic too, with the shell and neck...

Yeah, that's what I was referring to when I brought up the shape of the baby's head. It's certainly not difficult to see in the film, especially when it's nuzzling Ayana.

[Shadow]

^So Iris is the ultimate tentacle monster, penis for a head, arms and legs.
Yet it tries so hard to convince others it's intentions are strictly nonsexual.

Fail

[Terrier]

As someone already said, creatures of indeterminate gender are often refered to as "he" by default. It happens to me that because of that, when such a creature is identified as a "she", I actually have to think about it, I have to accept the fact that it is a female, because it sudendly stands out among other more vague monsters that could be either "he" or "it", and because of that the creature may be far more interesting. The idea of it as a female may bring some other ideas I inevitably have about the gender, like having offsprings and being a mother, wich may help to make it the more creepy or the more appealing (Hedorah, for example, is refered to as a female in the spanish dub of "her" debut movie, and I think it works; the same happens with Gamera, at least in the showa films, it makes me think of "her" love for children as something more maternal).

Now with all the talk about Iris being some kind of dominatrix, and considering the void Iris has to fill in Ayane's life, and the posibility that Iris was trying to force Ayane to hate Gamera during the movie's climax, I can't help but imagine "her" as some kind of evil and manipulative (surrogate) mother, wich I find scary in it's own right.

[Cimmerian Dragon]

Now with all the talk about Iris being some kind of dominatrix, and considering the void Iris has to fill in Ayane's life, and the posibility that Iris was trying to force Ayane to hate Gamera during the movie's climax, I can't help but imagine "her" as some kind of evil and manipulative (surrogate) mother, wich I find scary in it's own right.

No one can goad a person into doing something better than their mother...except the psychological replacement for a mother whose death they never let go.

[Tyler]

and the posibility that Iris was trying to force Ayane to hate Gamera during the movie's climax

I thought he was rubbing everything in her face now that she was inside him.

He showed her that Gamera unintentionally killed her parents because he was in the midst of fighting Gyaos. Then he showed her that HE killed her adopted family. So in a way he and his family - the Gyaos - were responsible for everything.

[Kiryu2012]

I always saw Iris as being a female. Based on what everyone's been saying, I assume Iris to be female, and since most Gyaos are probably female due to reproducing asexually, Iris could be female herself.