Theories on the potential Heisei Kong

[DoctorMafune]

I always thought it would be cool for a Heisei Kong to break free from the script-obligatory restraints, with a huge chain (made of something like Wolverine's adamantium) still attached to a massive pulled-loose anchoring weight on one end, and Kong's manacle on the other. He could use that enormous chain and weight as a weapon against Godzilla, electrifying and it knocking the Hell out of him (and any man-made structures in the sweep zone, for good measure.)

I remember reading that Kawakita really wanted to do this film because he could create a new Mechani-Kong, and that would have worth the price of admission, on its own.

[Dr. Nishiyama]

I imagine Kong would have force lightning shooting out of his hands as a beam weapon to confront Godzilla with. Not sure what scale Kong would be (would Godzilla stay 80 meters or get sized up to 100 meters for this one?) so I don't know how a 70 meter Kong would look holding a woman in the palm of his hand. I also think the Kong suit would be a lot better looking this time around.

But I'm glad Heisei Kong was never made. Fans would get pissed off if he won again and no one would be satisfied about the outcome being ambiguous or end in a draw. I personally think Kong should win in any fight with Godzilla (it makes sense for the smaller underdog to win against a bigger threat like Godzilla). Also, if the film was made in 1990 or 1991, I'm not sure how good Kawakita's effects would be. After Biollante and Gunhed, he got real lazy with everything. I think King Ghidorah (while one of my favorites) had the worst effects of the entire franchise, IMO

really? you think kong should win against Godzilla? Kong makes an oxygen destroyer? haha

Kong won in the original without an oxygen destroyer. He could do it again in the heisei series. And how do you know Kong can't make an oxygen destroyer? Apes are smart.

[Zentenk]

Sorry, but King Kong did not win in the slightest. Godzilla spends quite a long time underwater, he easily swam away. There were no mortal wounds previous to rolling off into the ocean. That isn't even the real King Kong so he doesn't really count, he is kind of like GINO. The real King Kong would get completely ripped to shreds by Godzilla. How did this King Kong even grow to Godzilla's size? Is Rita Repulsa involved?

[Megalon-5]

Sorry, but King Kong did not win in the slightest. Godzilla spends quite a long time underwater, he easily swam away. There were no mortal wounds previous to rolling off into the ocean. That isn't even the real King Kong so he doesn't really count, he is kind of like GINO. The real King Kong would get completely ripped to shreds by Godzilla. How did this King Kong even grow to Godzilla's size? Is Rita Repulsa involved?

Dude, hate to break this to you, but Kong did win. Kong was way more popular at the time than Godzilla was and the staff were huge Kong fans, especially Tsuburaya. Now think about this, let's say you made a brand new kaiju flick inspired by Godzilla and you get the rights and go-ahead from Toho to have a movie about your creation fighting Godzilla. Tell me, who would you let win in such a circumstance? Plus Kong was the good guy. You don't kill off the good guy monster during the final battle. That's like saying "Oh, Hedorah should've killed Godzilla. There's no way that Godzilla could've used electricity to defeat him!". Face it, Godzilla lost in King Kong vs. Godzilla and Mothra vs. Godzilla because he was a bad guy. In these types of films, the bad guys don't win. I don't see you complaining that Hedorah, Mechagodzilla and all those opponents lost, but then again, you're ok with that because Godzilla won and Kong didn't fight them. It's seems like you're denying the fact Kong won when every official material states that he beat Godzilla.

[Zentenk]

Godzilla didn't seem all that bad in this movie, more like a neutral monster wandering around (nowhere near GMK Godzilla). Okay, how did Godzilla lose? They ROLLED into the water. You only see Kong swim away because he goes to the surface, he can't hold his breath like Godzilla. Godzilla and Anguirus did the EXACT SAME THING in Godzilla Raids Again...

I fail to see the victory, and you will provide no proof. "Oh Kong is swimming away, he wins!" Well, not really, if anything it is a draw/no contest. Or if you go by the judges... Godzilla wins by TKO!

First round: King Kong forfeits, runs away (probably what he is doing at the end of the movie). 1 for Godzilla
Second round: King Kong gets KO'd! 1 for Godzilla
Third round: Inconclusive, King Kong swims away on the surface. Godzilla can swim underwater, no dead body floating to the surface. Draw/No-Contest

I have this fight 2-0-1 in Godzilla's favor.

[Megalon-5]

Alright, if you want proof here you go.

Kong was hitting Godzilla with something he was weak with.

Kong was the hero character in the film.

The staff were huge Kong fans.

If Godzilla won, they more than likely would've shown him winning.

In all official materials, it's stated Kong won.

Godzilla was unconscious and presumed dead in the original Mothra vs. Godzilla script.

Kong was more popular at the time than Godzilla was.

Kong was the underdog, you don't kill off the underdog.

Had Kong lost, Godzilla more than likely would've gone to the surface and straight to Japan.

[Zentenk]

Alright, if you want proof here you go.

Kong was hitting Godzilla with something he was weak with.
Didn't seem to phase Godzilla much, he never slowed down or appeared weak at all. I'm sure it did some damage, but Godzilla also burnt King Kong.

Kong was the hero character in the film.
No, he was a kidnap victim.

The staff were huge Kong fans.
Unfortunately this has nothing to do with the fight at all.

If Godzilla won, they more than likely would've shown him winning.
I did see him winning the majority of the fights, he never appeared weak or slowed at all.

In all official materials, it's stated Kong won.
No he swam away, he did not win, Godzilla did not die.

Godzilla was unconscious and presumed dead in the original Mothra vs. Godzilla script.
I'm not watching Mothra vs Godzilla, but I will take a look at it later.

Kong was more popular at the time than Godzilla was.
Popularity does not win fights.

Kong was the underdog, you don't kill off the underdog.
How is this relevant to the fight scene at all? Underdogs lose also...

Had Kong lost, Godzilla more than likely would've gone to the surface and straight to Japan.

No, that is if Kong Died, Not lost...

What could King Kong possibly do UNDERWATER, that he couldn't obviously do on land? He had plenty of time to kill/defeat Godzilla on land but he couldn't. Then he goes into Godzilla's domain and beats him underwater? Please, tell me you do not believe this...

From within the film please, quit giving me outside source reasons on why King Kong was the winner.

[Goji]

Sorry, but King Kong did not win in the slightest. Godzilla spends quite a long time underwater, he easily swam away. There were no mortal wounds previous to rolling off into the ocean. That isn't even the real King Kong so he doesn't really count, he is kind of like GINO. The real King Kong would get completely ripped to shreds by Godzilla. How did this King Kong even grow to Godzilla's size? Is Rita Repulsa involved?

..Pffft. "It doesn't really count"? That's a new one!

And no, they didn't "roll" into the water, they plummeted off a cliff.

Didn't seem to phase Godzilla much, he never slowed down or appeared weak at all. I'm sure it did some damage, but Godzilla also burnt King Kong.

Incorrect. Godzilla was clearly agitated by the electricity. 'Supercharged' Kong was about on par with Godzilla, when it came to strength. I know this is hard for you to swallow, but..

No, he was a kidnap victim.

Hardy har. He was still the 'hero' monster.

Unfortunately this has nothing to do with the fight at all.

Actually, it does. They had Kong won because he was much more popular the world over, at the time.

I did see him winning the majority of the fights, he never appeared weak or slowed at all.

Irrelevant. He still got his ass beat in the final round.

No he swam away, he did not win, Godzilla did not die.

Again, official materials for the film (Japanese and American press books, promotional materials, etc.) all state that Kong won. End of story.

I'm not watching Mothra vs Godzilla, but I will take a look at it later.

Taking "a look at it later" won't help you. He just said in the original script. Derp. Are you even comprehending anything he's saying?

Popularity does not win fights.

Actually, it kind of does in this case. For the 1343th time, Kong won. It may seem like a draw, but the official word is that Godzilla lost.

How is this relevant to the fight scene at all? Underdogs lose also...

It's relevant because you can't seem to understand why the film was written so that Kong won. He was the more popular character.

No, that is if KONG DIED. Not lost...

What?

[Space Hunter M]

Another damn King Kong vs. Godzilla debate? For the love of Mr. Tako, get over it already! As for the actual topic, I wouldn't be comfortable with an even larger King Kong. 45 meters is passable for human interaction, but that's already stretching it. Ludicrously large monsters and smaller miniatures is a problem I have with the Heisei series in general.

[GodzillaDude]

Another King Kong vs. Godzilla debate isn't needed here. I may as well throw in my two cents to get that out of the way though. I know Kong was way more popular than Godzilla at the time of the film and the hero of the film so of course they made it seem like he had the upper hand at the end. Realistically looking at it though it was more of a draw if anything. Godzilla's main domain is the ocean and Kong surfaced.

We should probably stop this King Kong vs. Godzilla debate before it goes any longer though.

[Zentenk]

Sorry, the more popular Kong was 50ft tall, not this Toho Kong.

Goji obviously can't read. I said provide in film facts, not oh it was someone's favorite/most popular. Whatever, people only see King Kong surface for air and try to swim back to his island. That is a "victory" I guess, some people count Godzilla out so easily like he got his face smashed in underwater... HAHAHA that is hillarious. They only provide out of film reasons, about popularity and underdog talk. If you see two animals fight in the wild, and one leaves... who won? THANK YOU, Godzilla... still owning his territory.

[Dr. Nishiyama]

Sorry, the more popular Kong was 50ft tall, not this Toho Kong.

Goji obviously can't read. I said provide in film facts, not oh it was someone's favorite/most popular. Whatever, people only see King Kong surface for air and try to swim back to his island. That is a "victory" I guess, some people count Godzilla out so easily like he got his face smashed in underwater... HAHAHA that is hillarious. They only provide out of film reasons, about popularity and underdog talk. If you see two animals fight in the wild, and one leaves... who won? THANK YOU, Godzilla... still owning his territory.

You said you wanted proof? In Toho's OWN theatrical program they state Kong was the winner. Toho and the filmmakers have always stated Kong was the winner. This isn't a matter of what monster you like better (I love Godzilla way more than Kong btw), it's just going by the facts stated by the company and people who made the movie.

[Goji]

Obviously, you've proven that selective reading is how your operate, Zentenk. Not my problem.

[Zentenk]

Sorry, the more popular Kong was 50ft tall, not this Toho Kong.

Goji obviously can't read. I said provide in film facts, not oh it was someone's favorite/most popular. Whatever, people only see King Kong surface for air and try to swim back to his island. That is a "victory" I guess, some people count Godzilla out so easily like he got his face smashed in underwater... HAHAHA that is hillarious. They only provide out of film reasons, about popularity and underdog talk. If you see two animals fight in the wild, and one leaves... who won? THANK YOU, Godzilla... still owning his territory.

You said you wanted proof? In Toho's OWN theatrical program they state Kong was the winner. Toho and the filmmakers have always stated Kong was the winner. This isn't a matter of what monster you like better (I love Godzilla way more than Kong btw), it's just going by the facts stated by the company and people who made the god damn movie.

Umm.. maybe they should have put forth a better effort of showing that win. Godzilla vs Anguirus for example, that is a win. King Kong swimming away, to an island he has no idea where it is? That just shows to me, and everyone else, King Kong survived. Godzilla survived also, as nothing killed him in this film, nothing stopped him. He was hip tossed and stood straight back up moments before tumbling off a cliff. What sticks out, to show the win? What about that ending proves to you that he wins? So, I have to go look up some quote from the film creator on who won? That just shows how trivial it is.

If they had included electric shocks in the water, that would have flipped it totally in King Kongs favor, but that didn't happen. The island shook, I'm guessing Godzilla burrowed into it as King Kong swam away.

So, the Heisei King Kong would lose, King Kong is 50 ft tall and would get smashed. Now if they make King Kong vs American Godzilla that would be more accurate.

[GodzillaDude]

Sorry, the more popular Kong was 50ft tall, not this Toho Kong.

Goji obviously can't read. I said provide in film facts, not oh it was someone's favorite/most popular. Whatever, people only see King Kong surface for air and try to swim back to his island. That is a "victory" I guess, some people count Godzilla out so easily like he got his face smashed in underwater... HAHAHA that is hillarious. They only provide out of film reasons, about popularity and underdog talk. If you see two animals fight in the wild, and one leaves... who won? THANK YOU, Godzilla... still owning his territory.

Yeah but it was still a version of King Kong which is way it made the box office killing that it did. I said it realistically was a draw more than anything. Kong surfaces and Godzilla supposedly retreated/swam away.

[PopInPicsPresents]

We've got ourselves quite the fanboy don't we?

Okay, first order of business, the original King Kong is about 25 feet tall, not 50

Second, Godzilla lost. Get that through your head. King Kong rose out of the water, Godzilla was no where to be seen. He either swam or burrowed away. Point being he retreated. That makes Kong the winner.

[Sydney Aradi]

Can someone lock this thread if this whole Kong vs Godzilla debate gets extremely heated?

[Rody]

Zentenk, you say that the Kong in this film isn't the "real" Kong, because the original was only 25 feet tall. Using that logic, I could say that Heisei Godzilla isn't the real Godzilla because the original was only 50 meters tall, and the Heisei design is 100 meters tall. Do you see what I'm saying?
Although there may be differences in story, size and appearance, in the end the character is the same.

[Zentenk]

So therefore American Godzilla is also the real Godzilla. No longer shall he be called GINO.

[Kaiju-King42]

^ ...He has a point there.