Gerdzerl wrote:....God, I wish Godzilla would just hurry up and tank a true city busting nuke on par with Castle Bravo or the Tsar Bomba on screen and survive it already and for it to not be an outlier. Can't skreeonking stand the idea of him dying to a stupid bomb, no matter how powerful it technically is. Humanity is not worthy of being better than it's superior. Godzilla needs to be able to tank nukes, otherwise he's not a real, credible threat to the entirety of human civilization, he's just a big dumb animal waiting to get shot down at any moment by a bunch of pathetically tiny, hairless apes.
Exactly. I was led to believe that Godzilla couldn't be killed by any
human weapons aside from advanced sci-fi ones. Why would he be such a threat to humanity if he could be killed with a single bomb? Plus, there are at least two incarnations of Godzilla that explicitly survived city-busting explosions, potentially more through implicit means.
Well, technically speaking, most kaijus would be able to tank nukes and absurd natural forces simply because they'd have to be composed of uber strong materials and substances in order to function properly. But this is, of course, in a real world setting.
But it isn't all that inconceivable for some Godzillas to be able to tank nuke+ level attacks, i.e. Heisei Godzilla, even in a FM setting. First off, we have to look at what actually succeeded in damaging
Heisei Godzilla, not what we necessarily think harmed him. The reason for this being the word harm is very subjective when trying to prove it. How do we know if someone was harmed but there is no visible damage? It's often times by the individual(s) reaction. But this line of reasoning is too subjective; things like reactions can be left up to interpretation much more so than actual, visible damage.
So the following attacks actually succeeded in damaging Godzilla (i.e. we saw them breach his hide or caused him to follow over in pain).
The Plasma Grenade
The Shock Anchors
MOG's Plasma Weapons
Of those attacks, most of them were only used on Heisei Godzilla or similar beings
. In other words, we never see them strike the surrounding environment or objects we empirically know a nuke would damage or destroy, which would be an accurate way of judging their power when comparing them to nuclear level attacks. Only SG's Corona Beam actual struck anything but a kaiju which is why one could use this attack to contradict some of Heisei Goji's higher end showings.
Now let's look at all of Heisei G's highest durability showings; ones that could be, and often are, considered outliers.
- Mantle swim
- Sitting and swimming in a volcano for 5 years
- Surviving Birth Island destruction
- DNA surviving vacuum of space, black holes, and supernovas
And out of all the attacks that have the potential to contradict those aforementioned feats of durability, only one is technically valid. So I suppose one could make the argument that Heisei G is ungodly durable.
Breakdown wrote:On here I remember in a Thanos vs Spacegodzilla thread someone argued that Thanos would get wrecked by Spacegodzilla and dismissed all his high-end feats as outliers because of a time where he was harmed by Spiderman. I think that's absolutely skreeonking asinine to dismiss all of those because of 4 or 5 one-off instances when you have a plethroa of comics showing otherwise.
Nice subtle jab there.
Gerdzerl wrote:While I don't particularly care for it by any means, I can, for example, accept him dying to a super-volcanic eruption or an asteroid impact, not at all because of their sheer power, but because they're a legitimate part of nature, just like Godzilla and his fellow kaiju.
Eh no. There NOT apart of nature. That's the point of a kaiju. They're beyond nature, beyond our understanding of the natural world. A transcendent being, if you will. The logic of it's ok if they die by a natural phenomena but not ok if they die by a man-made weapon simply doesn't make any sense. Godzilla and creatures like him are beyond both the world of man and the world of nature.
You can always justify kaiju being able to hurt each other and still tanking nukes by simply explaining that Attack Potency = / = Area of Effect. Countless other pieces of fiction go by this logic, so I don't see why Godzilla couldn't.
Its simply a difference in how different groups of people discuss and debate.
Godzilla dying to a nuke makes him way too personal and intimate to be a serious, credible threat to human civilization, because he could literally be killed in the blink of an eye at any moment.
You seem to think that dropping nuclear weapons is a simple thing. Well, it really isn't. Something like a nuclear bomb is DEVASTATING, not just in the sense of destructive power but the residual radioactive fallout can cause serious, lasting problems. There would be months, if not years, of planning and considering if we were actually going to nuke a kaiju. It isn't something that would be done just on a whim.