Re: How Would You Improve the Anime Saga?
Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 2:19 pm
Make it less depressing...
And actually have something happen besides EVERYONE dying.
And actually have something happen besides EVERYONE dying.
I think going the other route might have worked too. Have literally everyone die.Grievous wrote:And actually have something happen besides EVERYONE dying.
Well...I think that could have worked...andMecha-SpaceGhidorah wrote:I think going the other route might have worked too. Have literally everyone die.Grievous wrote:And actually have something happen besides EVERYONE dying.
Have Ghidorah win. Have him kill Godzilla, fully traverse into our universe and win: killing the humans, the Exif, the Bilusaludo, the Houtua, Mothra, the servum, and destroy the entire Earth. Then show him moving on…
It would have been absolutely bleak and depressing, but it also would have been fascinating and original at the very least.
Eh, I don't know about that. It made sense for "the good guys" to win, as life doesn't have to be about ending in suffering or absolute defeat. There's always hope for prevail even when the skies are literally dark.Mecha-SpaceGhidorah wrote:I think going the other route might have worked too. Have literally everyone die.Grievous wrote:And actually have something happen besides EVERYONE dying.
Have Ghidorah win. Have him kill Godzilla, fully traverse into our universe and win: killing the humans, the Exif, the Bilusaludo, the Houtua, Mothra, the servum, and destroy the entire Earth. Then show him moving on…
It would have been absolutely bleak and depressing, but it also would have been fascinating and original at the very least.
But no one really won...MechaGoji Bro7503 wrote:It made sense for "the good guys" to win
Arc or not...I do not like it when main characters "give up" & kill themselves.LSD Jellyfish wrote:However, Haruo completes his character arc in the film, and his suicide also completes his arc.
Harou, Miana, Martin, and Godzilla all played a part in defeating Metphies and KG to save the Earth.Grievous wrote:But no one really won...MechaGoji Bro7503 wrote:It made sense for "the good guys" to win
In the end no one really achieved anything.
*Thinks*MechaGoji Bro7503 wrote: Harou, Miana, Martin, and Godzilla all played a part in defeating Metphies and KG to save the Earth.
That's definitely a achievement, just not one that ended with everyone running into a sunset happily
ever after. The only one that truly won is Godzilla, as by killing Haruo he killed the old humanity that
created him.
At least it ended with humanity coexisting with Godzilla! A ending I believe should eventually happen to every G story, since neither humanity or Godzilla will go down easilyGrievous wrote:*Thinks*MechaGoji Bro7503 wrote: Harou, Miana, Martin, and Godzilla all played a part in defeating Metphies and KG to save the Earth.
That's definitely a achievement, just not one that ended with everyone running into a sunset happily
ever after. The only one that truly won is Godzilla, as by killing Haruo he killed the old humanity that
created him.
A fair point I guess...it just seemed like such a nihilistic ending to me.
Martin Lazzari was one of the few bright spots in the trilogy...and I'm
glad he survived...but everyone else...
I mean maybe if I cared about The Houtua...but I don't.
I guess...but its not like they had another option at that point.MechaGoji Bro7503 wrote:At least it ended with humanity coexisting with Godzilla!
Every G Story? Isn't that kind of boring though?MechaGoji Bro7503 wrote:A ending I believe should eventually happen to every G story, since neither humanity or Godzilla will go down easily
I think the point was that the survival of humanity was, in fact, winning. It even got discussed at length in the film. Winning was about living to fight another day rather than killing off one's enemy.Grievous wrote:But no one really won...MechaGoji Bro7503 wrote:It made sense for "the good guys" to win
In the end no one really achieved anything.
I don't call hiding in caves & sh!tting in creeks "living"Kaiju-King42 wrote:I think the point was that the survival of humanity was, in fact, winning. It even got discussed at length in the film. Winning was about living to fight another day rather than killing off one's enemy.
I like these ideas...but...how would a creature like Godzilla "expand his kingdom"?Tomzilla wrote:I think it would've been cool if the epilogue flash-forwarded 20,000 years into the future and humanity's descendants, like the Earth itself, have become extensions of Godzilla. Godzilla, meanwhile, is looking to expand his kingdom to the stars...
Now this is something I'd like to see! I think that a big reason I didn't like the trilogy is because, even after accepting the different direction it took with the Godzilla mythos and formula(s), is that I just do not like Urobuchi's work. I'm sure Kamen Rider Gaim and Madoka are both good, but for one reason or another I'm not sure I could watch them, what with the grimdark drama and visceral levels of violence.ManuJM1997 wrote:Tbh, if you gave me control from the project from day one, I would have booted out Urobuchi (I'm sorry, but this whole clusterskreeonk was mostly he's doing) and instead, I think Chiaki J. Konaka would have been a better writer.
I love both of the series he's done. Experiments Lain is good brain-wrecking stuff, and Digimon Tamers is still one of the best deconstructions of mons and kaiju stuff I've seen in a long time.
Besides, the dude is a true fan of Lovecraft, and has even wrote some Cthulhu Mythos stories.
I have no doubts he could make a very compelling Godzilla story, full of psychological stuff and cosmic horror.
This is Konaka when pressured by executives to be somewhat child-bearing (and in the cut american version)
MechaGoji Bro7503 wrote:At least it ended with humanity coexisting with Godzilla! A ending I believe should eventually happen to every G story, since neither humanity or Godzilla will go down easilyGrievous wrote:*Thinks*MechaGoji Bro7503 wrote: Harou, Miana, Martin, and Godzilla all played a part in defeating Metphies and KG to save the Earth.
That's definitely a achievement, just not one that ended with everyone running into a sunset happily
ever after. The only one that truly won is Godzilla, as by killing Haruo he killed the old humanity that
created him.
A fair point I guess...it just seemed like such a nihilistic ending to me.
Martin Lazzari was one of the few bright spots in the trilogy...and I'm
glad he survived...but everyone else...
I mean maybe if I cared about The Houtua...but I don't.
I have to agree with Kaiju-King42 and MechaGoji Bro: although I'm not a fan of heroic sacrifices or how hollow victories, I feel like that was the point of the story. It was a society of hatred and violence that created the monsters, almost destroying mankind, and Haruo wanted to ensure that it would never happen again or threaten his family.Kaiju-King42 wrote:I think the point was that the survival of humanity was, in fact, winning. It even got discussed at length in the film. Winning was about living to fight another day rather than killing off one's enemy.Grievous wrote:But no one really won...MechaGoji Bro7503 wrote:It made sense for "the good guys" to win
In the end no one really achieved anything.
This is something that I keep talking about when I make suggestions for the former and future anime series. If they had less cgi objects in the film, there would be less polygons; less polygons would make it easier for the animators to create more expressive and dynamic monsters. I may not be an Evangelion fan, but I admit that the Rebuild series is a beautiful demonstration of this technique.SonOfGorgo wrote:In terms of animation, I'd have the human/alien characters and backgrounds be hand-drawn, and the monsters, mech and ships be computer-animated.
You made some actually very valid points. Kudos.Titanoterror98 wrote:I've mostly come to terms with whatever resentmens I had against the anime trilogy, and any suggestions I make I could just as easily save for my original stories or fanfics. That said, you guys brought up few interesting ideas I'd like to comment on before I move on.
Now this is something I'd like to see! I think that a big reason I didn't like the trilogy is because, even after accepting the different direction it took with the Godzilla mythos and formula(s), is that I just do not like Urobuchi's work. I'm sure Kamen Rider Gaim and Madoka are both good, but for one reason or another I'm not sure I could watch them, what with the grimdark drama and visceral levels of violence.ManuJM1997 wrote:Tbh, if you gave me control from the project from day one, I would have booted out Urobuchi (I'm sorry, but this whole clusterskreeonk was mostly he's doing) and instead, I think Chiaki J. Konaka would have been a better writer.
I love both of the series he's done. Experiments Lain is good brain-wrecking stuff, and Digimon Tamers is still one of the best deconstructions of mons and kaiju stuff I've seen in a long time.
Besides, the dude is a true fan of Lovecraft, and has even wrote some Cthulhu Mythos stories.
I have no doubts he could make a very compelling Godzilla story, full of psychological stuff and cosmic horror.
This is Konaka when pressured by executives to be somewhat child-bearing (and in the cut american version)
That said, Konaka would be a great choice for any kaiju anime or movie! Digimon Tamers was and is one of my first and favourite anime of all-time. On top of the aformentioned love of Lovecraftian, psychological horror, the man knows how to write interesting human characters and how to write compelling stories around them. Speaking of his work with toku-related stories, need I remind y'all of his work on The Big O? It's shame we haven't heard from him so long, though.
MechaGoji Bro7503 wrote:At least it ended with humanity coexisting with Godzilla! A ending I believe should eventually happen to every G story, since neither humanity or Godzilla will go down easilyGrievous wrote: *Thinks*
A fair point I guess...it just seemed like such a nihilistic ending to me.
Martin Lazzari was one of the few bright spots in the trilogy...and I'm
glad he survived...but everyone else...
I mean maybe if I cared about The Houtua...but I don't.I have to agree with Kaiju-King42 and MechaGoji Bro: although I'm not a fan of heroic sacrifices or how hollow victories, I feel like that was the point of the story. It was a society of hatred and violence that created the monsters, almost destroying mankind, and Haruo wanted to ensure that it would never happen again or threaten his family.Kaiju-King42 wrote:I think the point was that the survival of humanity was, in fact, winning. It even got discussed at length in the film. Winning was about living to fight another day rather than killing off one's enemy.Grievous wrote: But no one really won...
In the end no one really achieved anything.Added in 11 minutes 50 seconds:Spoiler:This is something that I keep talking about when I make suggestions for the former and future anime series. If they had less cgi objects in the film, there would be less polygons; less polygons would make it easier for the animators to create more expressive and dynamic monsters. I may not be an Evangelion fan, but I admit that the Rebuild series is a beautiful demonstration of this technique.SonOfGorgo wrote:In terms of animation, I'd have the human/alien characters and backgrounds be hand-drawn, and the monsters, mech and ships be computer-animated.
You made some actually very valid points. Kudos.[/quote]SonOfGorgo wrote:This is something that I keep talking about when I make suggestions for the former and future anime series. If they had less cgi objects in the film, there would be less polygons; less polygons would make it easier for the animators to create more expressive and dynamic monsters. I may not be an Evangelion fan, but I admit that the Rebuild series is a beautiful demonstration of this technique.Titanoterror98 wrote:In terms of animation, I'd have the human/alien characters and backgrounds be hand-drawn, and the monsters, mech and ships be computer-animated.