Say Something Negative About "Shin Gojira"

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Zarm wrote:Sarcasm is unnecessary. You posed the question 'why didn't Godzilla just fry Serizawa with his atomic breath?' Just answering that objection.
That wasn't sarcasm, and I won't let you dictate my tone. The point is that, if Shin is guilty of "nerfing" the creature for a plan to succeed, Gojira is as equally as guilty--probably much more guilty, because at least Shin Godzilla justifies it, even if you personally can't suspend your disbelief.
Maritonic wrote:My problem with the mouth-open complaint is that it's sort of just suspension of disbelief. You hit a point where you have to just accept it's a movie and kind of deal with it. It never took me out of the experience, so I'm not really sure why it's such a big issue. And I have to agree; if it's a complaint, then you really could apply it to almost any action against Godzilla to beat him in previous films. You could ask a million "whys" of the Godzilla franchise and what it boils down to is "it's a movie and it would be kinda lame if Serizawa got torched by Godzilla".


Absolutely. It's a low form of criticism, and people are applying this logistical skepticism inconsistently.

What would be a more serious concern? I saw Rodan and eabaker in one thread discussing whether the (arguable--I kind of disagree) lack of on-screen human death is effective for the film, with IIRC Rodan arguing it's a weakness of the film and eabaker saying it's a double-edged sword of sorts. Now, there are lots of positions to take on this, and even a question of whether there really is less on-screen death than in Gojira, for example, but it's a much more interesting, insightful question to raise than silly logistical nitpicking of an action scene.
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Maritonic wrote:My problem with the mouth-open complaint is that it's sort of just suspension of disbelief. You hit a point where you have to just accept it's a movie and kind of deal with it. It never took me out of the experience, so I'm not really sure why it's such a big issue. And I have to agree; if it's a complaint, then you really could apply it to almost any action against Godzilla to beat him in previous films. You could ask a million "whys" of the Godzilla franchise and what it boils down to is "it's a movie and it would be kinda lame if Serizawa got torched by Godzilla".
I'm sorry; I'd disagree. I just don't see the 'Serizawa' question as equivalent. That's a negative- 'why didn't something else happen?' This is a different question- 'why did this series of contrived, difficult-to-believe things happen?' And for me, it does break suspension of disbelief; it doesn't fit the tone of the film, and it strains credulity. Contrivance to resolve a situation that shouldn't be resolvable under the circumstances is always a flaw in television and film, and to me, this is a significant flaw in the film. The ending doesn't really work. It wants to be a victory of the collective over the one, but it has to alter the nature of the one and stack the deck unreasonably in favor of the collective to do so, which undercuts its message and takes me (and it sounds like, some other viewers as well), out of the story.
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Maritonic wrote:My problem with the mouth-open complaint is that it's sort of just suspension of disbelief. You hit a point where you have to just accept it's a movie and kind of deal with it. It never took me out of the experience, so I'm not really sure why it's such a big issue. And I have to agree; if it's a complaint, then you really could apply it to almost any action against Godzilla to beat him in previous films. You could ask a million "whys" of the Godzilla franchise and what it boils down to is "it's a movie and it would be kinda lame if Serizawa got torched by Godzilla".
I'm sorry; I'd disagree. I just don't see the 'Serizawa' question as equivalent. That's a negative- 'why didn't something else happen?' This is a different question- 'why did this series of contrived, difficult-to-believe things happen?' And for me, it does break suspension of disbelief; it doesn't fit the tone of the film, and it strains credulity. Contrivance to resolve a situation that shouldn't be resolvable under the circumstances is always a flaw in television and film, and to me, this is a significant flaw in the film. The ending doesn't really work. It wants to be a victory of the collective over the one, but it has to alter the nature of the one and stack the deck unreasonably in favor of the collective to do so, which undercuts its message and takes me (and it sounds like, some other viewers as well), out of the story.
Well, I'm very sorry you feel that way. Because my wife and I were blown away by Shin and after multiple repeat viewings still believe it's one of, if not the very best, of the franchise.
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I don't think it alters the nature of Godzilla. It shows humanity working together, with information received from Goro Maki, whose research and frustration apparently led to his suicide (there are echoes of the original film there), to execute a plan that exploits the creature's weak points using Japan's science and infrastructure as weapons (with international cooperation, furthermore).

I mean, I think it absolutely fits the tone and really brings a lot of the thematic content together in dramatic fashion.
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Maritronic wrote: Well, I'm very sorry you feel that way. Because my wife and I were blown away by Shin and after multiple repeat viewings still believe it's one of, if not the very best, of the franchise.
I do understand that. And I'm not really saying anything against that. But this thread is literally for the flaws in that film. I just find this to be one of the flaws. That's not meant to diminish the enjoyment that you and your wife got from it.
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Zarm wrote:
Maritronic wrote: Well, I'm very sorry you feel that way. Because my wife and I were blown away by Shin and after multiple repeat viewings still believe it's one of, if not the very best, of the franchise.
I do understand that. And I'm not really saying anything against that. But this thread is literally for the flaws in that film. I just find this to be one of the flaws. That's not meant to diminish the enjoyment that you and your wife got from it.
Nor I saying you're wrong for your criticism for it. :) Just saying I am genuinely sorry you feel that way because I wish you could find the same enjoyment in it.
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Zarm wrote:
Maritronic wrote: Well, I'm very sorry you feel that way. Because my wife and I were blown away by Shin and after multiple repeat viewings still believe it's one of, if not the very best, of the franchise.
I do understand that. And I'm not really saying anything against that. But this thread is literally for the flaws in that film. I just find this to be one of the flaws. That's not meant to diminish the enjoyment that you and your wife got from it.
Nor I saying you're wrong for your criticism for it. :) Just saying I am genuinely sorry you feel that way because I wish you could find the same enjoyment in it.
As do I.
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Maritonic wrote: Well, I'm very sorry you feel that way. Because my wife and I were blown away by Shin and after multiple repeat viewings still believe it's one of, if not the very best, of the franchise.
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ToxicLove wrote:
Maritonic wrote: Well, I'm very sorry you feel that way. Because my wife and I were blown away by Shin and after multiple repeat viewings still believe it's one of, if not the very best, of the franchise.
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I don't like the Shin design. It's not the skin texture. That one I think is interesting. It's the proportions. The tiny arms and huge thighs... I prefer the opposite way around on monsters - top-heavy creatures. It just isn't my kind of monster design.
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Sometimes there's just too much Evangelion in it, and, as an Evangelion fan, it's too distracting.
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-Annie Patterson as a whole.
-The whole Kamata-kun thing was really cringy. This is Godzilla not a freaking pokemon!
-When form A showed on screen I heard several people laughing at this ridiculous design. I don't blame them.
The eva tracks were sooo repetitive and it came to the point where I actually have to skip the entire scene or watch muted with subtitles because of it.
-His design as a whole. Honestly I was really liking the head design as they were teasing it to be the scariest look yet. However the tiny arms, the chicken thigh with a skinny top, the long neck, and the Pacific Rim kaiju chest spike weren't in my cup of tea.
-Some inconsistencies of Godzilla's strength were when it took two large-ass skyscrapers to pin him down but a couple of trains(with explosives) where able to pin him much faster and for longer?

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Satomi Ishihara distracted me from the plot...... she was too attractive. :lol:
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MechaGoji Bro7503 wrote:Satomi Ishihara distracted me from the plot...... she was too attractive. :lol:
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All I can say is that there aren't enough power lines, because It's a rule in both Anno's works and other anime:
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I would liked to have seen more of Godzilla’s pre-landing form than just the tail waving around, and also the pre-mutation animal.
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My only complaints are the English dialogue and I was a bit disappointed they didn't fully remaster or even re-record Ifukube's compositions.

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I felt that the English dub is not really convincing, everyone sounds SO bored. I was disappointed since FUNimation's track record of awesome dubs like Yu Yu Hakusho, Dragon Ball Z & Super over the years, and dubs for the Rebuild of Evangelion movies. Shin Godzilla's dub is a failed opportunity of finally achieving a fantastic dub of a Godzilla movie by now.
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Horrible pacing

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