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Re: Shin Godzilla - The General Discussion Thread

Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 5:55 am
by Maritonic
I have to be honest, I'm not sure I get why the effects are so harshly criticized with Shin when you look at the grand history of this franchise.

They're almost always brought up as a negative, but are they really that bad in comparison to what we've seen in past Godzilla films?

Re: Shin Godzilla - The General Discussion Thread

Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 6:05 am
by Godzillian
Maritonic wrote:I have to be honest, I'm not sure I get why the effects are so harshly criticized with Shin when you look at the grand history of this franchise.

They're almost always brought up as a negative, but are they really that bad in comparison to what we've seen in past Godzilla films?

Never understood the complaints myself either especially considering how garbage most Toho Godzilla films cgi is

Re: Shin Godzilla - The General Discussion Thread

Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 6:21 am
by Maritonic
Godzillian wrote:
Maritonic wrote:I have to be honest, I'm not sure I get why the effects are so harshly criticized with Shin when you look at the grand history of this franchise.

They're almost always brought up as a negative, but are they really that bad in comparison to what we've seen in past Godzilla films?

Never understood the complaints myself either especially considering how garbage most Toho Godzilla films cgi is


Exactly. I've never understood why people hold Shin to some mystical higher standard.

Re: Shin Godzilla - The General Discussion Thread

Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 6:24 am
by Zarm
Maritonic wrote:
Godzillian wrote:
Maritonic wrote:I have to be honest, I'm not sure I get why the effects are so harshly criticized with Shin when you look at the grand history of this franchise.

They're almost always brought up as a negative, but are they really that bad in comparison to what we've seen in past Godzilla films?

Never understood the complaints myself either especially considering how garbage most Toho Godzilla films cgi is


Exactly. I've never understood why people hold Shin to some mystical higher standard.


I'm guessing maybe because they chose to go wholly CGI, and it's like 'If you can't execute that flawlessly, don't make the switch'? I don't know, I didn't hold those complaints, so I'm just speculating.

I still prefer a suit Godzilla- especially since, in the last decade, screen-time has become king for the enjoyment of a Godzilla movie, for some reason... but despite my oft-stated not finding this film anything special, I didn't really have any problem with the effects in Shin Godzilla, or the use of CGI to realize this somewhat-more-exotic design.

Re: Shin Godzilla - The General Discussion Thread

Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 6:27 am
by Maritonic
Zarm wrote:
Maritonic wrote:
Godzillian wrote:Never understood the complaints myself either especially considering how garbage most Toho Godzilla films cgi is


Exactly. I've never understood why people hold Shin to some mystical higher standard.


I'm guessing maybe because they chose to go wholly CGI, and it's like 'If you can't execute that flawlessly, don't make the switch'? I don't know, I didn't hold those complaints, so I'm just speculating.

I still prefer a suit Godzilla- especially since, in the last decade, screen-time has become king for the enjoyment of a Godzilla movie, for some reason... but despite my oft-stated not finding this film anything special, I didn't really have any problem with the effects in Shin Godzilla, or the use of CGI to realize this somewhat-more-exotic design.


I think, personally? People don't understand that Japanese filmmakers don't put the same funds into films and CGI that American films do, so they make the CGI comparison and therefore think it looks like crap, therefore it HAS to be bad.

Shin's CGI never took me out of the experience. Unlike some of the CGI shots in GMK.

Re: Shin Godzilla - The General Discussion Thread

Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 6:29 am
by Godzillian
tbh there were very few instances when the CGI for Shin wasn't up to snuff but even those are minimal and not overly distracting

Re: Shin Godzilla - The General Discussion Thread

Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 7:40 am
by KillCrites
imo Shin has phenomenal CGI, especially for a Japanese movie. I would even say that it looks flawless in some shots

Re: Shin Godzilla - The General Discussion Thread

Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2018 4:40 pm
by cloverfan98
I didn't know that alot of people seemed to dislike the effects. This movie's effects are beautiful. The only thing that MAY have looked slightly off would be the trains in the final battle but that's really reaching. Godzilla looks beautiful in this film.

Re: Shin Godzilla - The General Discussion Thread

Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2018 7:55 pm
by GalacticPetey
Eh I still think the first transformation sequence is pretty iffy looking.

Re: Shin Godzilla - The General Discussion Thread

Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 7:59 am
by Godzilla21
cloverfan98 wrote:I didn't know that alot of people seemed to dislike the effects. This movie's effects are beautiful. The only thing that MAY have looked slightly off would be the trains in the final battle but that's really reaching. Godzilla looks beautiful in this film.


The scene after his cool down where he does that herky jerky walk is weird

Re: Shin Godzilla - The General Discussion Thread

Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 8:34 am
by LSD Jellyfish
Two bad CGI shots and suddenly the CGI in the entire film is awful and the film is trash.

Image

:mrgreen:

Re: Shin Godzilla - The General Discussion Thread

Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 10:37 am
by daveblackeye15
Wait is this about me? I just whined about two shots where I lost the illusion when Shin moves a little too quickly. Looks fantastic when he's moving a bit slower. I never said the rest of the CGI is trash.

I mean...I still prefer Godzilla to be a man in a suit with machines and puppets. But American Godzilla and Shin have made me soften a lot on CGI Godzillas.

Re: Shin Godzilla - The General Discussion Thread

Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 2:04 pm
by Godzilla21
daveblackeye15 wrote:Wait is this about me? I just whined about two shots where I lost the illusion when Shin moves a little too quickly. Looks fantastic when he's moving a bit slower. I never said the rest of the CGI is trash.

I mean...I still prefer Godzilla to be a man in a suit with machines and puppets. But American Godzilla and Shin have made me soften a lot on CGI Godzillas.


I think he was kidding

Re: Shin Godzilla - The General Discussion Thread

Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 5:02 pm
by HeiseiGodzilla117
Godzilla21 wrote:
cloverfan98 wrote:I didn't know that alot of people seemed to dislike the effects. This movie's effects are beautiful. The only thing that MAY have looked slightly off would be the trains in the final battle but that's really reaching. Godzilla looks beautiful in this film.


The scene after his cool down where he does that herky jerky walk is weird



Yeah, some of the animation is wonky for sure. The CGI is decent in most scenes, though.

Re: Shin Godzilla - The General Discussion Thread

Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2018 12:33 am
by Godzilla21
HeiseiGodzilla117 wrote:
Godzilla21 wrote:
cloverfan98 wrote:I didn't know that alot of people seemed to dislike the effects. This movie's effects are beautiful. The only thing that MAY have looked slightly off would be the trains in the final battle but that's really reaching. Godzilla looks beautiful in this film.


The scene after his cool down where he does that herky jerky walk is weird



Yeah, some of the animation is wonky for sure. The CGI is decent in most scenes, though.


Ya it works 85% of the time

Re: Shin Godzilla - The General Discussion Thread

Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2018 6:23 am
by tbeasley
Some neat concept art has been added to the main site. We've seen most of it before but how do we feel about Godzilla splitting apart and all that?
https://www.tohokingdom.com/movies/godz ... ce.html#ca

I see why Toho vetoed the idea but I like its implications in the film and if a sequel ever happens it'd be interesting to see it come into play - I can certainly see something like it happening if Godzilla wakes up and is nuked (the same idea essentially happens in the anime).

Re: Shin Godzilla - The General Discussion Thread

Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2018 11:20 am
by HeiseiGodzilla117
tbeasley wrote:Some neat concept art has been added to the main site. We've seen most of it before but how do we feel about Godzilla splitting apart and all that?
https://www.tohokingdom.com/movies/godz ... ce.html#ca

I see why Toho vetoed the idea but I like its implications in the film and if a sequel ever happens it'd be interesting to see it come into play - I can certainly see something like it happening if Godzilla wakes up and is nuked (the same idea essentially happens in the anime).



I'm not a fan. But then, I'm not a fan of Shin breaking into a thousand humanoids either.

Re: Shin Godzilla - The General Discussion Thread

Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 7:26 am
by Mechagigan
Not to beat a dead horse, but Shin's effects served their purpose almost flawlessly in my eyes. They weren't Hollywood levels of well integrated, and occasionally came off as either too stiff or too rubbery, but generally speaking, they worked very well.

The climactic Tokyo scene looks amazing (it has quickly become one of my all-time favorite Godzilla rampage scenes, especially with the amazing direction all around), Shin's first form has a great amount of detail and interestingly "natural" movements, and, ultimately, there's never a moment where the CG is so fake that it takes away from the experience. You never feel pulled out of the fictional world in which the story takes place.

In fact, it's a little like the old Showa pictures. There was a point in time where their effects were only marginally worse than America's counterparts, yet, despite this, their stories could still be taken just as upfrontly. Not everything needs to look impeccable - a production's a production, after all.

Re: Shin Godzilla - The General Discussion Thread

Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 8:14 am
by Jomei
More on my blog (some details, another video, promotional poster with awesome art), but check out this new VR game attraction featuring Shin Godzilla.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIQ3HKjLZ10

Re: Shin Godzilla - The General Discussion Thread

Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 8:22 am
by MechaGoji Bro7503
Jomei wrote:More on my blog (some details, another video, promotional poster with awesome art), but check out this new VR game attraction featuring Shin Godzilla.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIQ3HKjLZ10

I want it now. That looks skreeonking awesome! Oh do you know what happened to that Universal Studios Japan Shin Godzilla ride? I can't find anything on it.