Fan Showa Timelines (creative)

[MaxRebo320]

Thanks to everybody correcting some of my mistakes. I will add more detail as time progresses. I made some errors mainly because I have never seen ''Gorath'', ''Ataragon'', and a few other obscure-er flicks.

[Ethan]

Some US versions take place in their own separate continuities. King Kong vs. Godzilla, for instance.

[CTHimes]

Eh, You could probably fit it in if you made it take place AFTER DAM, and War in Space after that.

Well, the problem with that is that GORATH takes place in 1980-1982 (stated in the film), while WAR IN SPACE takes place in Autumn 1988 (also stated in the film). DAM, of course, takes place at the end of the 20th Century (stated in the Japanese version; both dubs put the film in 1999). You could argue that "end of the 20th century" could be anywhere from 1980-2000, but that's really stretching it, I think.

Besides, GORATH isn't even important to the Showa Godzilla timeline. Neither is WAR IN SPACE. And as fun as it is to guess how all these movies fit together, the fact is that many of them simply don't.

[Hellspawn28]

4. The events of GODZILLA VS. MEGALON were in 1971 (according to the international English dub).

Dubs are never close to the Japanese scripts. I think we should stick what the sub titles say when it comes to information.

[Legion1979]

Since many non-Godzilla Toho films act like the existence of monsters is a huge surprise it's impossible to force them into the Godzilla continuity. Gorosaurus was in King Kong Escapes but he was also in Destroy All Monsters. Does this mean that KKE can fit into the Godzilla canon?

No. Because in KKE they treat Kong as if he's just a legend, when we already had a different (and bigger) Kong in King Kong vs Godzilla.

Just one example.

[TokyoVigilante]

Since many non-Godzilla Toho films act like the existence of monsters is a huge surprise it's impossible to force them into the Godzilla continuity. Gorosaurus was in King Kong Escapes but he was also in Destroy All Monsters. Does this mean that KKE can fit into the Godzilla canon?

No. Because in KKE they treat Kong as if he's just a legend, when we already had a different (and bigger) Kong in King Kong vs Godzilla.

Just one example.

Someone I know IRL had a theory that KKE actually takes place post-DAM. Kong is referred to as a legend because he only appeared once (and was quickly overshadowed by crazier and more ridiculous things). Also, I haven't seen the film in Japanese w/ subtitles, but Dr. Huu mentions he stole the plans for Mechanikong from Carl Nelson. Maybe the UN Science Council was going to put a giant robot in every capital of the world to defend against monster attacks? The size thing is something I can squint and ignore and I'm not bothered by.

It's novel fanon and fun to consider, but it has no business touching any actual discussion. That's the most important thing with having a "personal timeline".

[Hellspawn28]

I always think that Goroosaurus in DAM was two totally different characters. I think KKE is it's own movie since it's based off a cartoon series.

[Megalon-5]

Someone I know IRL had a theory that KKE actually takes place post-DAM. Kong is referred to as a legend because he only appeared once (and was quickly overshadowed by crazier and more ridiculous things). Also, I haven't seen the film in Japanese w/ subtitles, but Dr. Huu mentions he stole the plans for Mechanikong from Carl Nelson. Maybe the UN Science Council was going to put a giant robot in every capital of the world to defend against monster attacks? The size thing is something I can squint and ignore and I'm not bothered by.

It's novel fanon and fun to consider, but it has no business touching any actual discussion. That's the most important thing with having a "personal timeline".

Wow, that's actually a really interesting way of looking at things. I'm fine with people playing around with timelines, but I think such theories need to be thought out other than the whole "Just because we don't see it happen doesn't mean it's not true" idea.

[MaxRebo320]

(Forgive me, Nick, I'm posting again...)

Good work on compiling all this, I guess, but there are some errors.

GHIDRAH takes place in January, though the year is not given. We can assume it's 1965. Image: http://i.imgur.com/iwRAq.png

FCTW takes place partially in 1945, and then in 1960 (this is when Dr. Bowen is introduced. Young Frankie is hit by the cab driver in this year). Then the movie jumps to a later date. Sueko says, "This is the anniversary of [Tazuko Towoi's] death." She doesn't mention how many years it's been, but since we see the Frankenstein child again shortly afterwards (and he hasn't aged much since the cab incident), it makes most sense to say a year has passed. In fact, it might be a little over a year, since Towoi is still alive, albeit very ill, in the 1960 scenes. Images: http://i.imgur.com/DgRVD.png http://i.imgur.com/zauRG.png

In addition, GORATH can't take place in the same continuity as the Godzilla series. At the end of GORATH, the moon is obliterated by Gorath, while in DAM, whole scenes take place on the moon.

ATRAGON can't take place in the same continuity either, as evidenced by this exchange in GODZILLA VS. MEGALON (using the dub, although the Japanese dialogue is pretty much the same):

Goro: "We'll vanish, like Mu and Lemuria."
Roku: "What's that? Where's those places? I've never heard of them before."
Goru: "I'll tell ya. They were continents that existed a long time ago. One in the Pacific, one in the Indian Ocean. Then one day there was a big earthquake and they both vanished. Mind you -I must say- the majority of the historians believe they only existed in legend."

Good point on FCTW. Also, in ''War of the Gargantuas'', it is stated that baby Sanda was held around 5 years ago, at least in the dubbed version.

[Tamura]

4. The events of GODZILLA VS. MEGALON were in 1971 (according to the international English dub).

Dubs are never close to the Japanese scripts.

Except you're wrong. Many of them, like MECHAGODZILLA (1974), match the Japanese scripts almost exactly.

[MaxRebo320]

4. The events of GODZILLA VS. MEGALON were in 1971 (according to the international English dub).

Dubs are never close to the Japanese scripts.

Except you're wrong. Many of them, like MECHAGODZILLA (1974), match the Japanese scripts almost exactly.

We'll have to wait and see once Media Blasters releases ''Megalon'' on DVD.

[Tamura]

^ Right. Their subtitles are usually quite literal.

[Kaiju-King42]

Someone I know IRL had a theory that KKE actually takes place post-DAM. Kong is referred to as a legend because he only appeared once (and was quickly overshadowed by crazier and more ridiculous things). Also, I haven't seen the film in Japanese w/ subtitles, but Dr. Huu mentions he stole the plans for Mechanikong from Carl Nelson. Maybe the UN Science Council was going to put a giant robot in every capital of the world to defend against monster attacks? The size thing is something I can squint and ignore and I'm not bothered by.

It's novel fanon and fun to consider, but it has no business touching any actual discussion. That's the most important thing with having a "personal timeline".

Wow, now there's something to think about. At least it would explain the floating boat... car... thing. After all, I don't think those were common in the 60s.

[Goji]

Well, yeah, but these are fantasy films, after all..

[MaxRebo320]

Can some people help me out on what what IS "canon"? Thus far, all what I consider "Godzilla canon" is ''Rodan''.
{EDIT} Jesus, looking back, I was quite the nut. I've simply decided to accept the fact that they are just movies, and ignoring shit like how they eat and breath.

[GodzillaRangerPrime]

Interesting timeline

[MaxRebo320]

Shite.......

[Ookondru99]

Hypothetically speaking, couldn't Atragon take place after Megalon but before DAM? Since Manda doesn't make an appearance in any other showa film (except AMA, but idk if thats canon really)

[CTHimes]

Hypothetically speaking, couldn't Atragon take place after Megalon but before DAM? Since Manda doesn't make an appearance in any other showa film (except AMA, but idk if thats canon really)

No. MEGALON takes place in 1971 or the early 70s according to the opening narration. ATRAGON takes place sooner, about 18 years after WWII, which is also cited in dialogue. It just doesn't work. And even if it did, you'd have the same problem: Mu/Seatopia has attacked the surface nations, but both films treat the attack as the first of its kind and any lost undersea empire as a legend.

[MaxRebo320]

Hypothetically speaking, couldn't Atragon take place after Megalon but before DAM? Since Manda doesn't make an appearance in any other showa film (except AMA, but idk if thats canon really)

No. MEGALON takes place in 1971 or the early 70s according to the opening narration. ATRAGON takes place sooner, about 18 years after WWII, which is also cited in dialogue. It just doesn't work. And even if it did, you'd have the same problem: Mu/Seatopia has attacked the surface nations, but both films treat the attack as the first of its kind and any lost undersea empire as a legend.

Yeah, I obviously hadn't seen the film when writing this nonsense.