Talkback Thread #14: Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla (1974)

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Re: Talkback Thread #14: Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla (1974)

Postby OpteraKaiju92 » Sun Mar 25, 2018 8:11 pm

Ron Burton wrote:This movie is one of my favorites in the series! I vividly remember watching it under the title GODZILLA VS. BIONIC MONSTER at the theater in late December of 1976. Every written source lists it as having been released in the USA in March of 1977 but that's not true. I miss those days when a Godzilla movie could get a theatrical release.


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Re: Talkback Thread #14: Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla (1974)

Postby godjacob » Sun Mar 25, 2018 8:28 pm

Mechagodzilla was amazing, and a really formidable opponent which is the highlight of the film.

The build up and amount of time focused on the build up for King Caesar versus his actual contributions to the fight made it seem rather silly. Not to mention the alien invasion plot-line stretched really REALLY thin by this point.

Still one of my favorites of the Showa Era.

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Re: Talkback Thread #14: Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla (1974)

Postby LockBite » Tue Mar 27, 2018 10:17 pm

One thing that really struck me was how brutal and realistic the human fight scenes were. Bashing each other on the head, squeezing the temples, trying to suffocate the other guy with a couch pillow, it was definitely not the kiddie stuff you’d expect from this type of movie. Then there was the arterial spray from aliens and kaiju alike. And to think, despite all that, it still comes off almost as lighthearted as something like Son of Godzilla. One of the most purely fun Godzilla movies, and probably in the top 5 of the Showa era. :g64:

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Re: Talkback Thread #14: Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla (1974)

Postby HillyHulk » Fri Nov 09, 2018 12:45 am

This is my favorite of the Showa era. There are some questions about it,

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how did they make a doppelganger of Godzilla when they just got to the planet for the first time, for example,


but the buildup to the new kaiju (at that moment in time) were great (especially Mechagodzilla), and the fight scenes here were the best of the Showa era (especially the final battle). The "new" kaiju themselves were among my favorite antagonist and ally kaiju respectively with how unique the two were. The suits and special effects were good. Finally, the simple plot meant a lot of time was given to the kaiju, which is appreciated.
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Re: Talkback Thread #14: Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla (1974)

Postby Maritonic » Fri Nov 09, 2018 8:25 am

Man, i don't think you need a spoiler tag for a movie that is 44 years old. Haha.

If I remember correctly, they clearly had been on Earth for a minute because they had a whole base and everything. I could be wrong about that, though. But even if they weren't, they had to be observing Earth in some capacity enough so to create Mechagodzilla himself. So making the "doppelganger" costume for the cosmic monster isn't so outlandish. Unless you're asking about Mechagodzilla himself. In which case, I'd surmise that you don't invade without observing. Analyzing your biggest obstacle is Godzilla. To defeat him, create your own.
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Postby Ivo-goji » Fri Nov 09, 2018 8:28 am

Terror of Mechagodzilla retroactively established that the space men were on Earth for many years before they launched their insurrection, making contacts with people like Dr. Mafune.
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Re: Talkback Thread #14: Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla (1974)

Postby Maritonic » Fri Nov 09, 2018 8:30 am

Ivo-goji wrote:Terror of Mechagodzilla retroactively established that the space men were on Earth for many years before they launched their insurrection, making contacts with people like Dr. Mafune.


I've revisited Terror more recently than the original so I could be confusing that. Do they say in the first that they just *pop* show up?
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Re: Talkback Thread #14: Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla (1974)

Postby Ivo-goji » Fri Nov 09, 2018 9:12 am

Maritonic wrote:Do they say in the first that they just *pop* show up?

No, but the extent of the operations is left pretty ambiguous in the first movie.

The main hint that they've been around for a long time in GvsMG is that Interpol is already hot on their heels- and Nanbara appears to have prior experience dealing with them.
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Re: Talkback Thread #14: Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla (1974)

Postby Zarm » Fri Nov 09, 2018 9:51 am

It would be an interesting ret-con if they arrived in the post-Son of Godzilla gap; maybe even because word somehow spread that Godzilla had been neutralized (and a few years later, they found to their dismay that he actually hadn't- perhaps just as their observations were complete and they were gearing up to attack). They've been observing Godzilla and Earth the whole time- possibly even re-directed a Hedorah seed to Earth to try and take Godzilla out; but when their slow, careful plans got waylaid by the Hunter M Nebula Aliens, Seatopian attacks, and Garoga, they recognized that they could have a battle on their hands no matter who triumphed... thus, they created a champion that could fight off rival aliens by posing as the most feared defender of Earth (for psychological warfare, and to prevent the Earth forces from attacking him, too), or be used to take out said defender if he emerged triumphant.

Then they fortified, sat back, and waited for the rivals to sort themselves out one by one, building a network of contacts like Mafune, attracting the attention of interpol... until finally, the repeat-threat Gigan had been destroyed, the Zone Family had departed, and the board was clear of challengers; and at last it was time to make their move. Which just left one threat to attend to; the prophecy that their network of human contacts had recently uncovered. The last potential rival for domination of the Earth- once Godzilla himself was dealt with.
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Re: Talkback Thread #14: Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla (1974)

Postby HillyHulk » Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:36 am

Maritonic wrote:Man, i don't think you need a spoiler tag for a movie that is 44 years old. Haha.

If I remember correctly, they clearly had been on Earth for a minute because they had a whole base and everything. I could be wrong about that, though. But even if they weren't, they had to be observing Earth in some capacity enough so to create Mechagodzilla himself. So making the "doppelganger" costume for the cosmic monster isn't so outlandish. Unless you're asking about Mechagodzilla himself. In which case, I'd surmise that you don't invade without observing. Analyzing your biggest obstacle is Godzilla. To defeat him, create your own.

Probably not, but there are people who haven't seen it so I'd rather be safe than sorry.

We're never given a specific time, though I'd wager it had been years considering the high-tech lab and robot. You'd think they'd caught eventually (especially since injuring them is all it takes to mess up their camouflage). Same goes for studying Godzilla. You bring up a good point as do the other people who posted after you, but that's bound to get them caught if the humans learned anything from previous invasions given the amount of time they would need.
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Re: Talkback Thread #14: Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla (1974)

Postby Maritonic » Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:38 am

Well, Ivo brings up a good point that I'd forgotten that Interpol was close to them in the film. So they were close to getting caught.

It's tricky when you consider past alien interactions, though I suppose no one had tried to invade in the same way as these guys.
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Re: Talkback Thread #14: Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla (1974)

Postby HillyHulk » Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:56 am

Maritonic wrote:Well, Ivo brings up a good point that I'd forgotten that Interpol was close to them in the film. So they were close to getting caught.

It's tricky when you consider past alien interactions, though I suppose no one had tried to invade in the same way as these guys.

Previous aliens had attacked from right under their noses before (Xiliens and Kilaakians, for example). They should be able to detect when something is amiss easier by that point. The Black Hole Aliens had a different strategy, but it's similar to how others had attacked. Also, with all the kaiju roaming around Earth combined with how brittle the disguise was during the fight with Anguirus, their cover should've been blown sooner (especially since Mechagodzilla seemed to have appeared on Monster Island.)
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Re: Talkback Thread #14: Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla (1974)

Postby Maritonic » Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:59 am

I guess the filmmakers just didn't care.
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Re: Talkback Thread #14: Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla (1974)

Postby HillyHulk » Fri Nov 09, 2018 11:08 am

Maritonic wrote:I guess the filmmakers just didn't care.

I'd like to think they didn't consider all these different angles. Still love the movie, though.
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Re: Talkback Thread #14: Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla (1974)

Postby eabaker » Fri Nov 09, 2018 11:11 am

Maritonic wrote:I guess the filmmakers just didn't care.


And neither did their target audience.
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Re: Talkback Thread #14: Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla (1974)

Postby Maritonic » Fri Nov 09, 2018 11:11 am

eabaker wrote:
Maritonic wrote:I guess the filmmakers just didn't care.


And neither did their target audience.


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Re: Talkback Thread #14: Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla (1974)

Postby eabaker » Fri Nov 09, 2018 11:13 am

Maritonic wrote:
eabaker wrote:
Maritonic wrote:I guess the filmmakers just didn't care.


And neither did their target audience.


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Not from a G-Fan...
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Re: Talkback Thread #14: Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla (1974)

Postby HillyHulk » Fri Nov 09, 2018 11:15 am

eabaker wrote:
Maritonic wrote:
eabaker wrote:
And neither did their target audience.


Is it possible to learn this power?


Not from a G-Fan...

Hey, I didn't mind. Just questions that buzzed in my head (it happens when you're a nerd).
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Re: Talkback Thread #14: Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla (1974)

Postby Maritonic » Fri Nov 09, 2018 11:16 am

HillyHulk wrote:
eabaker wrote:
Maritonic wrote:
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Not from a G-Fan...

Hey, I didn't mind. Just questions that buzzed in my head (it happens when you're a nerd).


A true nerd would have caught the reference...

You have failed me for the last time.
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Re: Talkback Thread #14: Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla (1974)

Postby HillyHulk » Fri Nov 09, 2018 11:23 am

Maritonic wrote:
HillyHulk wrote:
eabaker wrote:
Not from a G-Fan...

Hey, I didn't mind. Just questions that buzzed in my head (it happens when you're a nerd).


A true nerd would have caught the reference...

You have failed me for the last time.

Darn it, didn't even recognize that as a reference!
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