Talkback Thread #14: Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla (1974)

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Re: Talkback Thread #14: Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla (1974)

Postby Rodan » Mon Feb 13, 2017 7:15 pm

I find myself really agreeing with your post, ZARM. Though it ranks as one of my favorites personally, it certainly does feel stuck between the outright cartoonishness of the two preceding '70s films and the more conscientious, general-audience spectacle of the early '60s entries.

Indeed, whatever shortcomings this film may have, the effects work is not among them. not only is this colorful film a sumptuous visual treat on the order of the first Mothra film, the model work is excellent, with a variety of beams and rays (prefiguring the Heisei era to come), titanic explosions that really tear the refinery to bits, emphasizing Mechagodzilla’s power and creating a great battlefield of flames for his first confrontation with Godzilla, and various locales from cities to the countryside (with crumbling cliff) to a storm-wracked island to a subterranean base, are all convincingly staged. If there’s any weak point, it would be the aforementioned human-to-ape-alien transitions (sometimes accompanied by the needless and gruesome spraying of black blood)- but even they had an icky, grotesque effectiveness with the liquid-effect covering the stage-transitions of makeup.

All of this I agree with in particular. One of the film's great qualities no matter how unsure it may feel in other aspects is its sense of spectacle. I feel it nails that the best of any of the '70s films, and ranks among the best in the entire Showa series.

The human scenes are, unfortunately, a bit less tightly constructed than Honda's best entries. They're serviceable in vs. Mechagodzilla, but not as colorful and spectacular as the best special-effects sequences in the film, nor is the framing as clever. Honda snuck some unexpectedly excellent shots into Mothra vs. Godzilla even when there's no monster on screen.

Despite any of its shortcomings, though, this is never a film I can get through without smiling. I've only gotten positive reactions from group viewings too. And not with any sense of ironic detachment. It's just an infectiously good time.

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Re: Talkback Thread #14: Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla (1974)

Postby Tomzilla » Mon Feb 13, 2017 8:03 pm

Zarm wrote:Take, for instance, King Caesar. The majority of this Godzilla-light movie is dedicated toward the aliens trying to prevent King Caesar from waking up, as if he’s the most significant monster threat on Earth. No real worries about Mothra, or Jet Jaguar, or Anguirus, or Rodan; no, King Caesar, who we- and the people of Earth- have never heard of before, somehow has an extraterrestrial reputation big and bad enough that the aliens consider it necessary to preemptively destroy him as their nearly-sole focus on the planet. And that’s partly because his ability to awaken other monsters could spell doom for Mechagodzilla.

When he wakes up, do you want to guess how many monsters he awakens? Exactly zero.


It would've made sense, given King Caesar's alleged summoning/resurrection powers, to have incorporated Earth's other monsters. At the very least, they could've had King Caesar summon a mystically healed Anguirus, who could've exacted some sweet vengeance; or maybe, the filmmakers should've had MechaGodzilla kill Godzilla, only for King Caesar to resurrect the King of the Monsters. MechaGodzilla was built to murder an army of monsters. It would've been quite the spectacle to see MechaGodzilla challenge the denizens of Monster Island.

Of course, the film's plot betrayed itself with that silly prophecy of there being only two monsters awakening to save the world. They should've nixed that subplot, or defied it entirely.

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Re: Talkback Thread #14: Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla (1974)

Postby Ivo-goji » Mon Feb 13, 2017 8:29 pm

It's been a hundred years since I watched this movie, but I have no recollection at all of anyone saying King Scissors was able to summon other kaiju.
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Re: Talkback Thread #14: Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla (1974)

Postby Billzilla1974 » Mon Feb 13, 2017 9:18 pm

I don't have the exact time or quote, but the whole reason the alien leader wants the statue is because "we'll be in trouble if King Caesar brings other monsters to life" or at least that's what they (the aliens) believe.
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Re: Talkback Thread #14: Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla (1974)

Postby Zarm » Tue Feb 14, 2017 4:22 am

And again, it's just so hilarious that with a dozen or more *known* monsters, the aliens' sole focus is on preventing the rise of probably the most obscure (in-universe) kaiju of all time, who does absolutely nothing to justify the fear they have of him.

But yeah, summoning as island-worth of kaiju- or at least restoring the one whose suit we already saw, Anguirus- would have been great!
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Re: Talkback Thread #14: Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla (1974)

Postby edgaguirus » Tue Feb 14, 2017 10:35 pm

I suppose the filmmakers didn't want Anguirus in the big fight because three monsters were easier to deal with than four.
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Re: Talkback Thread #14: Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla (1974)

Postby Ivo-goji » Wed Feb 15, 2017 10:05 am

Billzilla1974 wrote:I don't have the exact time or quote, but the whole reason the alien leader wants the statue is because "we'll be in trouble if King Caesar brings other monsters to life" or at least that's what they (the aliens) believe.

Are you sure they weren't talking about the statue bringing other monsters to life? And "other monsters" here meaning "any other monster besides Godzilla, who we're already prepared for (in this case King Scissors)"? That would be significantly more consistent with what actually happens.
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Re: Talkback Thread #14: Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla (1974)

Postby Zarm » Wed Feb 15, 2017 10:47 am

Definitely not what the subtitles said... but possibly what the original Japanese dialogue meant. Any translators here care to provide further insight...?
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Re: Talkback Thread #14: Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla (1974)

Postby Billzilla1974 » Wed Feb 15, 2017 3:43 pm

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Billzilla1974 wrote:I don't have the exact time or quote, but the whole reason the alien leader wants the statue is because "we'll be in trouble if King Caesar brings other monsters to life" or at least that's what they (the aliens) believe.

Are you sure they weren't talking about the statue bringing other monsters to life? And "other monsters" here meaning "any other monster besides Godzilla, who we're already prepared for (in this case King Scissors)"? That would be significantly more consistent with what actually happens.

Maybe, but the statue only blasted the hill King Kommunist was in, revealing him but not awakening him. Perhaps after Terror of Mechagodzilla the JSDF used either the statue or the kaiju to awaken the monsters we see in Destroy all monsters ( Varan and Baragon?)
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Re: Talkback Thread #14: Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla (1974)

Postby Hellblaze » Sun Apr 30, 2017 7:03 pm

It's a shame that this movie isn't out on dvd yet only by Sony and it's so expensive and hard to find. Is anyone else frustrated that this isn't out on dvd yet to add to their collection? :(
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Re: Talkback Thread #14: Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla (1974)

Postby InnocentClarke » Sun Apr 30, 2017 8:34 pm

Hellblaze wrote:It's a shame that this movie isn't out on dvd yet only by Sony and it's so expensive and hard to find. Is anyone else frustrated that this isn't out on dvd yet to add to their collection? :(

Sometimes, you just have to do what you have to do in order to watch the film. :P
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Anyway, I think this one is one of my favourites from the era. MechaGodzilla's just cool, man. His introduction is clever and fresh, and hurting Angilas like that is about the best thing he could do to make me hate him. Strange to think that had Godzilla not had a really unfortunate night in the rain, he'd have gotten his poop fatally kicked in. I like the space apes more than the other alien races of the era, too. I dunno, they're just fun villains, especially with the smarmy prick of a leader they have. Let's see, it had both Akihiko Hirata and Hiroshi Koizumi, who are always a joy to see, great monster fights, a more appealing tone than several of the other 70s films, and King Caesar's theme always gets stuck in my head. It's a really fun time.

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Re: Talkback Thread #14: Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla (1974)

Postby Lain Of The Wired » Mon May 01, 2017 4:54 am

Hellblaze wrote:It's a shame that this movie isn't out on dvd yet only by Sony and it's so expensive and hard to find. Is anyone else frustrated that this isn't out on dvd yet to add to their collection? :(

Naw, not frustrated at all. I own the Sony DvD and its basically in mint condition :P
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Re: Talkback Thread #14: Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla (1974)

Postby szmigiel » Mon May 01, 2017 7:37 am

I find it strange that this is my only Showa film I have in my Digital Download CinemaNow playlist.

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Re: Talkback Thread #14: Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla (1974)

Postby Stevo_1985 » Mon May 01, 2017 10:44 am

Hellblaze wrote:It's a shame that this movie isn't out on dvd yet only by Sony and it's so expensive and hard to find. Is anyone else frustrated that this isn't out on dvd yet to add to their collection? :(


I can't say that I am as I've had it amongst my collection for a number of years now.
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Re: Talkback Thread #14: Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla (1974)

Postby Hellblaze » Mon May 01, 2017 6:09 pm

You guys are so lucky to get that dvd I hope they rerelease it hopefully by Kraken or Classic Media. Only one I need I got every other Godzilla dvd in my collection. Just hope I find one on ebay cheap but it will not be easy.
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Re: Talkback Thread #14: Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla (1974)

Postby Goji » Mon May 01, 2017 8:01 pm

Classic Media were done with Toho stuff nearly a decade ago. Everyone thought Kraken would have picked this (and Son of Godzilla) up, but I guess that's not happening.

I really do sympathize with those who want a legit copy of this. I bought it in 2005 when it was brand new, but I think it's been OOP for at least 5 or 6 years.
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Re: Talkback Thread #14: Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla (1974)

Postby godzilla5417 » Fri May 05, 2017 9:21 am

And there's still no re-release, dam it's been at least a decade since I've seen this movie and I remember really liking it.
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Re: Talkback Thread #14: Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla (1974)

Postby Hellblaze » Fri May 05, 2017 8:33 pm

Goji wrote:Classic Media were done with Toho stuff nearly a decade ago. Everyone thought Kraken would have picked this (and Son of Godzilla) up, but I guess that's not happening.

I really do sympathize with those who want a legit copy of this. I bought it in 2005 when it was brand new, but I think it's been OOP for at least 5 or 6 years.



Wow really? I thought with Kraken they would release Godzilla vs MG on dvd since they released the recent 85. I am hoping that company gets their hands on the movie and release it to dvd.
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Re: Talkback Thread #14: Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla (1974)

Postby MechaGoji Bro7503 » Sun May 07, 2017 11:36 am

I find it funny that everyone is hectic to awaken King Caesar, while in the battle all he does is be a bullet sponge for Godzilla. (I dont remember if he does a good job at that).
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Re: Talkback Thread #14: Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla (1974)

Postby UltimateDitto » Mon May 08, 2017 7:59 am

I remember back when I was a child watching the English dub ,I would always put that scene where the gorilla man (black hole alien?) falls off the cruise ship on constant replay, even slow motion and sped up. I loved sound of him yelling as he plummeted into the sea, innocently enjoying him (probably) perish.

Man that's dark now that i think of it that way... :|
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