Talkback Thread #12: Godzilla vs. Gigan (1972)

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Living Corpse wrote:IMO this movie is how to make a good movie when you only have enough time to use stock footage for most of the effects bits.
The misleading thing is that the stock footage isn't even that important to the movie, and the film would be fine, and be substantial without it.

All the stuff with Angurius, minus a quick moment with Ghidorah is completely new. That includes the scenes of him swimming with Godzilla, coming ashore and encountering the military, and fighting Gigan.

The movie also has a really good destruction sequence in a city, that lingers, something that really had been lacking since the original film. That entire sequence with Gigan and Ghidorah, if you removed the stock footage, would have been more than enough. All the stuff with Godzilla and Gigan, and the tower, is a lot as well.
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Obviously it would have been preferable to have filmed entirely new FX sequences but I think all three of the stock footage heavy Godzillas (Revenge, Gigan, and Megalon) use their recycled footage to their strengths. I don't think Megalon would have the same frenetic energy had the stock footage been assembled and implemented as it had in Godzilla vs. Gigan.

But all that said, it's this film that uses stock footage to replicate what had been the norm for the franchise in the 1960s, so I think that's why a lot of fans prefer how it was done here.
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I think Toho shouldn't have made this film, instead fill the slot in the Champion Festival with a recut 60's film. Then spent more time making a movie that didn't try to reuse so much footage from past films. I don't mind the plot, I like Gigan and Space Hunter Nebula M Cockroches, just think the final project is hurt by trying to splice in as much footage of Ghidorah as possible.

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It's hurt by that, yes, but otherwise the movie is very fun and introduced both Gigan himself, one of Toho's more visually standout creations, and the idea of Godzilla and Anguirus as friends and allies. The good outweighs the bad several times over.
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Agreed. G vs Gigan isn't perfect, but it's a good and entertaining film. As for the stock footage, I feel it serves, rather than takes away from, the film. In addition, we have a great city destruction sequence and Anguillas.
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Not saying Gigan shouldn't have been used, he could be introduced in the film that they make instead. Most of the script ideas featured introducing Gigan and Megalon. Honestly if I was going to pick a kaiju to represent space cockroaches, it would be Megalon (Blasphemy I know).

As far as Anguirus rep for being Godzilla's dog, it is do to this film, but his rep for being an aggressive bullheaded fighter was already cemented in DAM when he charged Ghidoarh. As far as the friend and allies, you can make the comment that long time ally Rodan was kicked to the curve in the Champion Festival films and replaced by Anguirus (cause his suit was newer).

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szmigiel wrote:I think Toho shouldn't have made this film, instead fill the slot in the Champion Festival with a recut 60's film. Then spent more time making a movie that didn't try to reuse so much footage from past films.
I think money was the ultimate factor, not time, and I don't think holding off for a year would have granted the eventual film a larger budget.

In fact, time apparently wasn't a factor at all. According to Yoshimitsu Banno, Hedorah was shot over the summer of 1970 (released in July 1971) and a cast photo of Gigan shows the A-unit's principal photography was completed in November 1971, months before the March 1972 release. The Champion Festival films evidently weren't rushed to completion. Atragon, by comparison, was planned and shot and released in the span of about three months, and yet that's still one of the great Toho sci-fi productions.

What really hurt the Champion Festival films was that they were made during a very down time for the Japanese film industry. Toho dissolving the special effects department after Tsuburaya's death didn't help at all, either.
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Yes the output by Honda and Tsuduraya in the 60's was amazing. The only one that really suffered was Ghidorah when they couldn't really animate Godzilla's breath and they didn't quite have controlling Ghidorah heads down right. For me this film has the worst effects over all in the franchise.
The Gigan and Ghidorah flying models looks horrible, and are completely out of scale with Godzilla tower.
The night filter on the Ghidorah stock footage.
The mixing of footage where the suits are very different. Godzilla suit falling apart as it is being filmed.
The choice of King Ghidorah and Anguirus so they can use as much stock footage as possible.
The whole pointless scene where Anguirus swims to Japan to get attacked by Maser, Just to swim back to monsterland. Only to turn around and swim back to Japan with Godzilla. And Godzilla saying "Hurry UP".

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szmigiel wrote:As far as the friend and allies, you can make the comment that long time ally Rodan was kicked to the curve in the Champion Festival films and replaced by Anguirus (cause his suit was newer).
You can make that argument. That's a pretty good argument, even. I wish I had anything to counter that with other than "...but ANGUIRUS." Rodan did anticlimactically disappear in the '70s, and is still struggling to get his spotlight back to this day. I liked his Starscream role in KOTM, but he certainly wasn't a legitimate co-star like in 1964...
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I just finished translating a comic that serves as a sequel to Godzilla vs. Gigan. I think it’s interesting because it focuses on the darker side of the film.

https://www.tohokingdom.com/forum/viewt ... 2#p1721742
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It certainly expands the environmental angle of the film.
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Rewatched this. Something fun I noticed is that when the lead enters the children’s land office, he leans on a globe. A seemingly random decoration, but it’s clear they were probably looking at the world map and planning to take over the world for fun.

One thing I also noticed is the films structure. The first 3rd (about 30ish minutes, right until it’s very clear that Kabuto and the other guy aren’t aliens) works really well as a fun mystery plot. It’s something that’s ruined by multiple viewings, but there’s certainly a build up and in contrast to later movies it’s not made clear that aliens are involved. The group does a good job at investigating and being proactive.

I maintain the stock footage is a bit exaggerated, but the brief shot is near unforgivable and I have zero clue why it wasn’t edited out. Come on, it’s not like you could’ve just cut it to the shot of Godzilla getting rammed into the bridge and still got the same idea. I maintain otherwise there’s some fantastic destruction scenes and action.

Also the climax of the film gets bonus points for destroying the park.
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LSD Jellyfish wrote: Mon Nov 02, 2020 7:04 am Rewatched this. Something fun I noticed is that when the lead enters the children’s land office, he leans on a globe. A seemingly random decoration, but it’s clear they were probably looking at the world map and planning to take over the world for fun.

One thing I also noticed is the films structure. The first 3rd (about 30ish minutes, right until it’s very clear that Kabuto and the other guy aren’t aliens) works really well as a fun mystery plot. It’s something that’s ruined by multiple viewings, but there’s certainly a build up and in contrast to later movies it’s not made clear that aliens are involved. The group does a good job at investigating and being proactive.

I maintain the stock footage is a bit exaggerated, but the brief shot is near unforgivable and I have zero clue why it wasn’t edited out. Come on, it’s not like you could’ve just cut it to the shot of Godzilla getting rammed into the bridge and still got the same idea. I maintain otherwise there’s some fantastic destruction scenes and action.

Also the climax of the film gets bonus points for destroying the park.
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I have had a weird love-hate relationship with this film.

As a kid, it was one of my favorites. I was drawn in by the alien mystery plot and the fight at the end, where Godzilla got one his all time biggest beatdowns. I honestly thought he was going to lose that one, but it only made me all the happier when he made his Hulk Hogan style comeback and won the day (with Anguirus' help of course).

As I got older, the dents in the armor started to show themselves. The use of stock footage and clear cheapness of the overall production became obvious and then it became one of my lesser favorite entries.

But now...I'm more middle of the road with it. The stuff I loved about it as a kid is true, and the stuff I hated in my teen to early 20 years is still true, so it balances out to one of the middle of the road entries. Solidly entertaining, but if it had the budget to execute everything well, man, it could have been one of the best.

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While the film's "modest" budget is definitely felt very strongly in this movie I have appreciated it more and more with time. It still has some cool scenes and Gigan is of course a worth kaiju in its own right. It also has one of my favorite title sequences because it reflects the film. Simple, yet effective.

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