Talkback Thread #12: Godzilla vs. Gigan (1972)

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really not a fan of this one. at best, we got Gigan. that's all the good i have to say about it.
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three wrote:really not a fan of this one. at best, we got Gigan. that's all the good i have to say about it.
I love Gigan, I love the Godzilla/Angilas team, and I love the way that the comic book theme is integrated into nearly all aspects of the narrative and the storytelling style.
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It also has a good rampage scene. You can just feel the glee Gigan gets sawing that building.
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I should rewatch this one. The last time I did, a year ago, it was the first time in years and I was a little too aware of the stock footage to really enjoy it. It was the first time I really noticed it and it distracted. >_> I need to watch it again with my brain turned off!

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Given that his budgets were only around half of what was standard during the "Golden Age," Jun Fukuda actually did exceptional work. Personally I would have made shorter films instead of pulling scenes from older films, though I'm not certain how much control he had over this. The success of Gamera might have influenced this decision, as those films relied on stock footage too and were doing well. With this film in mind specifically, the transition between original material and recycled scenes would have been less noticeable if the final battle was set during the day. Plus the older battles scenes have a considerably faster pace. Which makes me wonder if this was the intention before they started filming or something they decided during the filming process. I'm curious how much different the final battle would be with the stock footage removed.

Even still, this is one of my favorites. I love the human characters, score (like a "best of collections"), general feel of the film, and monster action.

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I feel like, of his Godzilla movies, this and GvsMG were the ones where Fukuda was working in a predominately action/adventure style with which he was really comfortable. But, where GvsMG's script doesn't offer much besides snarling villains and people running and punching, Gigan has enough strange ideas and interesting thematic threads that it never feels like a one-trick pony. It's the perfect Godzilla movie for just kicking back and enjoying some goofy, self-aware fun. A lot of people misuse the word "camp" when describing Godzilla movies in general, but in the case of Gigan, it is a genuine, successful exercise in the true camp aesthetic.
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This is probably my least favorite Godzilla film for many reason. I will try and list from the harshest issues down to the more minor nitpicks.
  • My big issue is with the daikaiju footage, both the stock footage and the new footage.
    The stock footage doesn’t mix that well with the new footage, the night filter does not really help to match the lighting between the two.
    Godzilla and King Ghidorah look very different between the stock footage and the new footage.
    The Godzilla suit is noticeably falling apart in much of the new footage.
    They use the Son of Godzilla suit for the swimming scenes, so that’s a 3rd look for Godzilla in the same movie.
    There is a lot of the daikaiju just standing around, most noticeable with King Ghidorah with his necks motionless.
    Pretty much all the military scenes are stock footage.
    The whole bit where Anguirus swims to Japan, just to get pushed back by the maser cannons, only to reach Monster island, and again to swim back with Godzilla having him say “Hurry”.
    When Gigan and King Ghidorah first show up and circle the Godzilla Tower they are about half its size, of course later they are as big as the tower during the fight. Minor complaint but this is something the 60’s films tired avoid.
    The music is stock, while it is nice to hear the Ifukube music, it is more just background music as it wasn’t scored to fit the action onscreen.
    Smoking is a major plot point, in a kids movie, I know it was a different time but damn it is like cigarettes are a sponsor of the the film.
    The candid way the villains claim they are going to just kill off all the daikaiju once they finish with Worlds Children’s Land.
The things I do like.
  • The best part of the movie is probably the human story as they trying to uncover who the bad guys are and what they are up too.
    I also like Gigan, although I think he is used better in Godzilla Vs Megalon.

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szmigiel wrote:Smoking is a major plot point, in a kids movie, I know it was a different time but damn it is like cigarettes are a sponsor of the the film.
Not a complaint I've ever heard about the movie before...

I will point out that cigarettes are specifically a tool of evil in the film.
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szmigiel wrote:cigarettes are a sponsor of the the film.
The scene where Sakurai gives Chikiro cigs in Kong is better, though.

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eabaker wrote:
szmigiel wrote:Smoking is a major plot point, in a kids movie, I know it was a different time but damn it is like cigarettes are a sponsor of the the film.
Not a complaint I've ever heard about the movie before...

I will point out that cigarettes are specifically a tool of evil in the film.
That is why it is near the end of my list and more of nitpick.
And the brothers lighter is used so the good guys know he is alive, so it isn't only a tool of evil in the film.

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szmigiel wrote:-snip-
I knows it's your opinion and all, but I think Gigan holds up better than others in the nitpicking department.
To address some of your issues:
- The standing around is a valid criticism, though MechaGodzilla falls victim to this syndrome in ToM.
- Jet Jaguar had to travel to Monster Island to get Godzilla in Godzilla vs. Megalon.
- Godzilla's Revenge has three different looks for Godzilla as well.
- Megalon's military scenes are more notably stock footage. The attack on the city is entirely stock footage, aside from Megalon firing his laser.

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szmigiel wrote:Smoking is a major plot point, in a kids movie, I know it was a different time but damn it is like cigarettes are a sponsor of the the film.
That's 'cause all that intravenous stuff was no good for them.
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kamilleblu wrote:
szmigiel wrote:-snip-
I knows it's your opinion and all, but I think Gigan holds up better than others in the nitpicking department.
I know many other Godzilla movies are guilty of some of these nitpicks, especially during the Champion Festival era. My issue is that Godzilla Vs. Gigan have so many of them.
kamilleblu wrote:To address some of your issues:
- The standing around is a valid criticism, though MechaGodzilla falls victim to this syndrome in ToM.
Godzilla Vs. Hedorah is also very guilty of this, there is a lot of the daikaiju trash talking to each other. I think it stands out so much do to King Ghidorah who in all previous entries was always in motion. As for Mechagodzilla’s lack of movement from time to time, it fits his mechanical personality, more then it fits King Ghidorahs.
kamilleblu wrote:- Jet Jaguar had to travel to Monster Island to get Godzilla in Godzilla vs. Megalon.
Yup at that is why Godzilla shows up so late for the final battle. I just see Anguirus swim to Japan just to get pushed back nothing but monster filler footage.
kamilleblu wrote:- Godzilla's Revenge has three different looks for Godzilla as well.
Very true and it is one of a number of things that hurt that film as well. However since all three are jungle they blend a bit better, none are spliced in with new footage that looks radically different, and they don’t try to put a night filter on the old stock footage.
kamilleblu wrote:- Megalon's military scenes are more notably stock footage. The attack on the city is entirely stock footage, aside from Megalon firing his laser.
Both movies use pretty much the same identical footage for the military. They both use many of the same scenes of the city destruction as well. Megalon also borrows footage from Godzilla Vs. Gigan. There are plenty of shots where you see parts of Gigan in the Megalon rampage. They gave Megalon the yellow lightning so they can use King Ghidorah destruction scenes. The best rampage footage from Megalon is the destruction of the dam, which I like a little better then the new footage from Godzilla Vs. Gigan, but they are both pretty lackluster.

There is also stock footage of Godzilla and Gigan fighting in Godzilla Vs. Megalon that are stock footage for Godzilla Vs. Gigan. But that footage blends in better then the footage from Ghidorah the three headed monster used in Godzilla Vs. Gigan.

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szmigiel wrote: There is a lot of the daikaiju just standing around, most noticeable with King Ghidorah with his necks motionless.
King Ghidorah's the only one in the movie I remember just standing there - and it was pretty obvious, considering how crazy he moves in other movies.

I think MG in ToMG is a different situation, though; Ghidorah's suit was getting pretty old at that point, so they probably felt safer using stock footage for his attacks instead risking the suit falling apart. MechaGodzilla was only two-ish by the time it as used in ToMG, so it couldn't have been in as much disrepair as Ghidorah to that it couldn't move.
I also like Gigan, although I think he is used better in Godzilla Vs Megalon.
You know, a lot of people cite this movie as why Gigan's personality is so cool, and while it's there, Megalon really uses it more effectively.

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Mechagigan wrote:King Ghidorah's the only one in the movie I remember just standing there - and it was pretty obvious, considering how crazy he moves in other movies.
Anguirus does a fair bit of standing around as well. Not the battle didn't have it's moments.

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^ Anguirus was falling apart at times, too. Just look at his face during the scene where he comes ashore;

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He looks like he's been hiding in a landfill for a couple years.

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Mechagigan wrote:^ Anguirus was falling apart at times, too. Just look at his face during the scene where he comes ashore;

http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/god ... 0104201204

He looks like he's been hiding in a landfill for a couple years.
Just contributes to his underdog appeal. ;)
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Mechagigan wrote:^ Anguirus was falling apart at times, too. Just look at his face during the scene where he comes ashore;

http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/god ... 0104201204

He looks like he's been hiding in a landfill for a couple years.
I DID always notice the weird green and red paint splotches that was on him in this movie, and I never noticed it in DAM...
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Mechagigan wrote:^ Anguirus was falling apart at times, too. Just look at his face during the scene where he comes ashore;

http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/god ... 0104201204

He looks like he's been hiding in a landfill for a couple years.
That's not the primary suit used for filming. This one was used specifically for water scenes, which didn't have a mechanically operated jaw like the other one.
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^ Makes sense, since he looked way better otherwise (and continued to later on in MG). I figured they shot the scene from the picture last, explaining why he looks so worn.

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