HedorahIsBestGirl wrote:I'm not gonna lie, I think 90% of people defend this movie purely because it's made by Honda and he said that he liked the film. I hate Ichiro and I think claims that he's a well-rounded character are a pretty big reach. He's a bratty ass kid who gets picked on at the beginning, and a bratty ass kid who picks on others at the end. And yeah, sure, his absent parents are probably to blame, but he's still an annoying little prick.
And I don't think the limited budget and production schedule are an excuse for the excess of stock footage, as some try to claim. The film could've focused solely on Godzilla, Minilla and Gabara and had the other kaiju only make stock footage cameos (as Anguirus, Manda and Gorosaurus do) to make Monster Island seem more populated, and I'd have a lot more respect for it.
I want to backtrack a bit to address this: it's non-objective to suggest "90% of people defend this movie purely because it's made by Honda." Perhaps those people see something in the movie you can't or don't want to see, or maybe they have a different criteria for what makes a good (Godzilla) movie. Because you don't understand or can't accept why someone likes a movie doesn't mean that his or her appreciation of it is unjustified.
I've said several times before that I think the filmmakers succeeded in what they tried to do despite the limitations forced on them. To say that the movie "could've focused solely on Godzilla, Minilla and Gabara..." blatantly ignores the context of what happened behind the scenes. No, they could not have filmed exclusively new footage of the three title characters: the budget did not allow it, it did not fit with Tanaka's plan (to save money by reusing content from previous films), and there was no SFX director on the production. I'd suggest that, instead of focusing on what the movie isn't
, fans should try to critique the movie on what it is
and what its filmmakers set out to do. (Extreme analogy: Would Godzilla
have been a better movie if the special effects had been produced with stop motion as originally intended? There could be an argument there, but it's obviously beyond the realm of possibility.)
And of course you are allowed to dislike whatever characters you want, Ichiro is no exception. However, the vitriol for this character is absurd. "An annoying little prick" is an extreme and distasteful way to describe a child character who is by no means intended as anything of the sort.
Are you really going to pretend that people don't defend this movie purely because they see Honda's name in the credits? I promise you that if this film was directed by Jun Fukuda or anyone else, it would still be the subject of universal hatred in the fanbase. Maybe 90% was a stretch, but a bit of hyperbole doesn't change the fact that there are plenty of people out there who will love (or hate) a movie just because of its director. Obviously I have no way of proving this, but I've seen it happen with lots of other films. As an example of the opposite happening, people hated both Batman vs. Superman and Justice League before they even came out because they hated Zack Snyder. Granted, both movies were deeply flawed, but people decided they were bad the second they saw Snyder's name attached. People's reasons for liking or disliking a film aren't always great. Sometimes it's not a matter of understanding or appreciating someone else's opinions; sometimes, someone else formed their opinions for a bad reason. If you genuinely love this film and not purely because it is a Honda film, then great. People like what they like. But don't assume that no one claims to like this film for that reason alone.
I'm aware Honda had to assume effects director duties, but given that he did okay with the final kaiju fight, I don't see why he couldn't have thrown in a couple more in place of excessive stock footage. The Gabara suit was made, the Monster Island set was made, so why couldn't there have been a few new scenes with the kaiju, which wouldn't have needed to involve expensive pyrotechnics and animation, instead of several straight minutes ripped from two other Godzilla movies? As I said above, I see no issue with having small stock footage shots for other kaiju to make cameos or for brief effects shots (like Godzilla firing his ray) to be reused, but reusing entire fight scenes is ridiculous. And if Tanaka's plan was to reuse footage from previous films, that was a lazy ass plan and he should've given Godzilla a few more years off and saved the small amount he spent on this movie. Also, saying stock footage shouldn't have been overused isn't even close to saying a movie should've used a completely different style of effects work to bring its monsters to life. That's not really beyond the realm of possibility.
Why is the hatred for Ichiro any more absurd than, say, the hatred for Kazuma Aoki in GvMG2? I happen to like that character, but a large portion of the fanbase (at least here on TK) hates his guts with a fiery passion and talks about how he's the "worst Godzilla character ever." If it's because Ichiro is a child, then I don't accept that. There are plenty of amazingly talented child actors out there. Pretty much everyone from It and Stranger Things, and Dafne Keen from Logan if you want a few recent examples. The child actor who played Ichiro isn't one of them. To be fair, I don't think he's an inaccurate portrayal of a child, he's just a child character who I find annoying and dislike. Clearly, a lot of fans agree with me, and quite a few disagree as well. But I don't think being a child absolves him of being a bad character. To use an example from the Godzilla series itself, I like Ken Yano from Godzilla vs. Hedorah. I found his love of Godzilla relatable when I was a child; even though Ichiro is also a young boy who loves Godzilla, I never found him relatable. Maybe if I'd grown up with absentee parents I would have, but who knows?
As it stands, Godzilla's Revenge/All Monsters Attack is a strange movie which, in my opinion, was poorly made and has no need to exist. Because many regard it as the worst Godzilla film, and some don't consider it a "real" Godzilla film at all, there has been a concerted effort in recent years by a portion of the fanbase to defend this movie. Personally, I have yet to see a compelling argument for why this is a good movie. The three arguments I see, over and over, are:
1 - The filmmakers did there best with what they were given.
2 - Ichiro has a good character arc compared to most Godzilla protagonists.
3 - The film was personal for Honda and is misunderstood by fans, especially in the West.
I disagree with points one and two. Point three may be true; perhaps, having not grown up in Japan, I am missing something that is more obvious to others with a better understanding of Japanese culture than I possess. All I know is that I despised this film as a child then, a few years ago, after reading a wealth of material defending the film, I tried to watch it again on two separate occasions and my opinions did not change.