Toho Kingdom

So...basically Honda made a film about the urban family life in Japan
heading into the 70's...and they threw some Godzilla footage into it
(old & new) & for that...it gets a lot of hate it doesn't deserve.

Honestly...I don't even really think of this film as an "actual" Godzilla
film...its more like a personal Honda project with some kaiju stuff
tacked on.

I think it’s fun and well acted
The only people that really hate this one are 15 year olds..

PitchBlackProgress wrote:I think it’s fun and well acted
The only people that really hate this one are 15 year olds..

Do you guys have many of those around here?

Grievous wrote:

PitchBlackProgress wrote:I think it’s fun and well acted
The only people that really hate this one are 15 year olds..

Do you guys have many of those around here?

The majority of our members are under 21, I think; at the very least, under 28.

Me? I'm 33 and I still loathe the film. A few pages back, you'll find my essay on its existentially bleak implications...

Zarm wrote:

Grievous wrote:

PitchBlackProgress wrote:I think it’s fun and well acted
The only people that really hate this one are 15 year olds..

Do you guys have many of those around here?

The majority of our members are under 21, I think; at the very least, under 28.

Me? I'm 33 and I still loathe the film. A few pages back, you'll find my essay on its existentially bleak implications...

Well...that's pretty awesome that the kaiju
genre is attracting a younger audience.

I'm 36...

I hope I'm not the oldest member here...

"Grandad Grievous"

Ugh...

Forget whatever I said about you getting banned over Monster Zero, Grandad. If you can at least tolerate Revenge, you're clearly worth keeping around. Too few people can see the light, with that movie...

Okay, I guess I do get where Zarm's coming from with the bleakness, but I don't consider that a downside. And there is plenty of fun involved, so it balances out.

Grievous wrote:

Zarm wrote:

Grievous wrote: Do you guys have many of those around here?

The majority of our members are under 21, I think; at the very least, under 28.

Me? I'm 33 and I still loathe the film. A few pages back, you'll find my essay on its existentially bleak implications...

Well...that's pretty awesome that the kaiju
genre is attracting a younger audience.

I'm 36...

I hope I'm not the oldest member here...

"Grandad Grievous"

Ugh...

I think you might have about third place; but clearly, I'm right behind you in fourth.

I still try to wrap my head around talking to people who are both young adults, and consider 9/11 a historical event rather than a part of their lifetime...

JAGzilla wrote:Forget whatever I said about you getting banned over Monster Zero, Grandad. If you can at least tolerate Revenge, you're clearly worth keeping around. Too few people can see the light, with that movie...

Thank you Jag...

I appreciate the kind words.

Honestly...as Godzilla/Kaiju fans...we're all pretty lucky.

I mean just look at all the franchises that have been
"destroyed" or at least "maimed" in the last few years.

Alien, Predator, Terminator, Star Wars, Star Trek, Jurassic Park...

I still can't believe they managed to get Blade Runner 2049 right?

Zarm wrote:I think you might have about third place; but clearly, I'm right behind you in fourth.

Ugh...

I feel old...

Shhh! You're going to jinx everything!

Also, plenty of people would say the Godzilla franchise has been maimed in the last few years. I ain't one of them, though.

JAGzilla wrote:Shhh! You're going to jinx everything!

Oh No! Quick...someone delete the post!

JAGzilla wrote:Also, plenty of people would say the Godzilla franchise has been maimed in the last few years. I ain't one of them, though.

Neither am I.

I think everything has been moving in a good direction
since 2014...and the first Pacific Rim was the best kind
of surprise a year earlier.

PitchBlackProgress wrote:I think it’s fun and well acted
The only people that really hate this one are 15 year olds..

27 here and definitely hate this movie. As does my 28 year old wife.

I don't go around ragging on it going "OH MAI GAWD WERST MOVIE EVARRR" but it's certainly the lowest point of this franchise for me, personally.

I see the high points it has, and I've seen it a handful of times. Will likely watch it a handful more. But if someone asked me "What's the worst Godzilla movie ever made" this is easily my first pick.

Maritonic wrote:but it's certainly the lowest point of this franchise for me

But...

What about Glass Iguana vs. Ferris Bueller?

Does that count?

Grievous wrote:

Maritonic wrote:but it's certainly the lowest point of this franchise for me

But...

What about Glass Iguana vs. Ferris Bueller?

Does that count?

Certainly that's low. That's in the bottom five for me. But this ranks lower.

Maritonic wrote:

Grievous wrote:

Maritonic wrote:but it's certainly the lowest point of this franchise for me

But...

What about Glass Iguana vs. Ferris Bueller?

Does that count?

Certainly that's low. That's in the bottom five for me. But this ranks lower.

Wow. Not even I go that far...

...But then, part of that is probably that I don't even think of '98 as part of the franchise to begin with.

JAGzilla wrote:I think everything has been moving in a good direction since 2014...and the first Pacific Rim was the best kind of surprise a year earlier.

Does that include 2014, or only everything since then?



...Son of a gun. Edited four times for formatting. I'm really off my game today!

Zarm wrote:

Maritonic wrote:

Grievous wrote: But...

What about Glass Iguana vs. Ferris Bueller?

Does that count?

Certainly that's low. That's in the bottom five for me. But this ranks lower.

Wow. Not even I go that far...

...But then, part of that is probably that I don't even think of '98 as part of the franchise to begin with.

I haven't re-done my top 10 and bottom 10 since the Anime Trilogy dropped, but I think off the top of my head I'd consider '98 4th in my bottom 5.

These are, again, just my opinions. (feel I need to emphasize that around here these days.)

Maritonic wrote:

Grievous wrote:

Maritonic wrote:but it's certainly the lowest point of this franchise for me

But...

What about Glass Iguana vs. Ferris Bueller?

Does that count?

Certainly that's low. That's in the bottom five for me. But this ranks lower.

Wow...that's a big call...but hey you do you.

JAGzilla wrote:...I don't even think of '98 as part of the franchise to begin with.

Yeah...I second this.

JAGzilla wrote: Does that include 2014, or only everything since then?

Yes...I liked Godzilla 2014...Loved it even.

Jesus I'd been waiting 10 years for it & was
just happy that Big G was back.

I stood up & cheered when he blasted the
female M.U.T.O for the first time.

I'm a "Glass Half Full" kind of guy.

Grievous wrote:Yes...I liked Godzilla 2014...Loved it even.

Jesus I'd been waiting 10 years for it & was just happy that Big G was back.

I stood up & cheered when he blasted the female M.U.T.O for the first time.

I'm a "Glass Half Full" kind of guy.

Likewise- and likewise for that scene. Just checking; in that case, I agree with your overall statement. For me, both 2014 and the anime trilogy represent positive developments in the franchise (and 2014 is either in my top 5, or #6 just below it). There hasn't been a movie since 2014 that I dislike. (Only a couple that I 'meh,' and neither of those is 2014!)

Zarm wrote:

Grievous wrote:Yes...I liked Godzilla 2014...Loved it even.

Jesus I'd been waiting 10 years for it & was just happy that Big G was back.

I stood up & cheered when he blasted the female M.U.T.O for the first time.

I'm a "Glass Half Full" kind of guy.

Likewise- and likewise for that scene. Just checking; in that case, I agree with your overall statement. For me, both 2014 and the anime trilogy represent positive developments in the franchise (and 2014 is either in my top 5, or #6 just below it). There hasn't been a movie since 2014 that I dislike. (Only a couple that I 'meh,' and neither of those is 2014!)

I thought you hated Shin?

Maritonic wrote:

Zarm wrote:

Grievous wrote:Yes...I liked Godzilla 2014...Loved it even.

Jesus I'd been waiting 10 years for it & was just happy that Big G was back.

I stood up & cheered when he blasted the female M.U.T.O for the first time.

I'm a "Glass Half Full" kind of guy.

Likewise- and likewise for that scene. Just checking; in that case, I agree with your overall statement. For me, both 2014 and the anime trilogy represent positive developments in the franchise (and 2014 is either in my top 5, or #6 just below it). There hasn't been a movie since 2014 that I dislike. (Only a couple that I 'meh,' and neither of those is 2014!)

I thought you hated Shin?

No, I really don't. I think it is an entirely decent movie. Just not the amazing thing that everyone else thinks it is.

It's just hard to argue 'it's not that awesome' without hyperbolizing/emphasizing the negatives.

I actually do that a lot. My board game group thinks I hate 7 Wonders; I just don't want to play it every other week. But it's hard to argue a positive should be a neutral; arguing against a positive always sounds like you're saying it should be a negative of equal and opposite proportion. It's kind of like those toasters or washing machines where, if you twist the knob just a couple of ticks, it doesn't even turn on- you have to crank it way further than you actually want to get it to turn on, then dial it back to where you actually want it to be.

For me, Shin, Monster Planet (and Skull Island, if that counts), were all decent, just not stellar. Whereas 2014 and City on the Edge of Battle were stellar.

...Which is definitely a statement that belongs on the 'Unpopular Godzilla Opinions' thread, I know.

Zarm wrote:

Maritonic wrote:

Zarm wrote:
Likewise- and likewise for that scene. Just checking; in that case, I agree with your overall statement. For me, both 2014 and the anime trilogy represent positive developments in the franchise (and 2014 is either in my top 5, or #6 just below it). There hasn't been a movie since 2014 that I dislike. (Only a couple that I 'meh,' and neither of those is 2014!)

I thought you hated Shin?

No, I really don't. I think it is an entirely decent movie. Just not the amazing thing that everyone else thinks it is.

It's just hard to argue 'it's not that awesome' without hyperbolizing/emphasizing the negatives.

I actually do that a lot. My board game group thinks I hate 7 Wonders; I just don't want to play it every other week. But it's hard to argue a positive should be a neutral; arguing against a positive always sounds like you're saying it should be a negative of equal and opposite proportion. It's kind of like those toasters or washing machines where, if you twist the knob just a couple of ticks, it doesn't even turn on- you have to crank it way further than you actually want to get it to turn on, then dial it back to where you actually want it to be.

For me, Shin, Monster Planet (and Skull Island, if that counts), were all decent, just not stellar. Whereas 2014 and City on the Edge of Battle were stellar.

...Which is definitely a statement that belongs on the 'Unpopular Godzilla Opinions' thread, I know.

I see. We disagree on a lot of that, but I see what you're saying.