Talkback Thread #9: Destroy All Monsters (1968)

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Re: Talkback Thread #9: Destroy All Monsters (1968)

Postby Grievous » Fri Dec 14, 2018 9:24 pm

JAGzilla wrote:Perfectly executed or not, it's a great concept. Yes, it's essentially the plot of Monster Zero but BIGGERER,

And now I'm hearing Mr. Plinkett's voice in my head.

JAGzilla wrote:but still. I'd love to see a proper, competent remake somewhere down the line.

Maybe that's how the MonsterVerse will end?

A big budget Hollywood remake of Destroy All Monsters...

A fan can dream right?
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Re: Talkback Thread #9: Destroy All Monsters (1968)

Postby Terasawa » Fri Dec 14, 2018 11:04 pm

I think those of us that didn’t see this when it was reasonably new missed out on the real appeal of this movie. We’ve had quite a few all-star monster lineups in the years since but in 1968 it was entirely novel. Admittedly there’s not much of substance beyond the collection of monsters here -this was totally part of Takeshi Kimura’s “phoning it in” phase- and I understand the usual criticisms but I personally don’t care. I have no problems with the structure of the narrative or the pace or whether the characters are engaging or not. (They aren’t.) This is top ten, top fifteen at worst, for me.

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Re: Talkback Thread #9: Destroy All Monsters (1968)

Postby Dr. Professor » Sat Dec 15, 2018 11:51 pm

Terasawa wrote:I think those of us that didn’t see this when it was reasonably new missed out on the real appeal of this movie. We’ve had quite a few all-star monster lineups in the years since but in 1968 it was entirely novel. Admittedly there’s not much of substance beyond the collection of monsters here -this was totally part of Takeshi Kimura’s “phoning it in” phase- and I understand the usual criticisms but I personally don’t care. I have no problems with the structure of the narrative or the pace or whether the characters are engaging or not. (They aren’t.) This is top ten, top fifteen at worst, for me.

It's number 14 for me. I feel like if the characters were more engaging and the final battle was less underwhelming (though it's still a fun fight), it'd probably crack my top ten. But overall I still enjoy the hell out of this one. 14 ain't a bad spot to be in the Godzilla series. I don't stop caring until about number 25.
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Re: Talkback Thread #9: Destroy All Monsters (1968)

Postby Zarm » Sun Dec 16, 2018 8:37 am

Never stop caring, Dr. Professor. Never.

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Postby Grievous » Sun Dec 16, 2018 11:59 am

Zarm wrote:*dramatic upraised hand-grasp and stare off into the middle distance*

*Cue triumphant music with a wide angle shot of the sunrise*
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Postby JimmyD1318 » Sun Dec 16, 2018 6:47 pm

One of my favorite's for sure. I love the final battle!
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Postby Major sssspielberg! » Wed Jan 09, 2019 8:39 pm

So I have a question for everybody. I've heard anti feminist readings of DAM, and I'm not particularly convinced, though I can see how some might come to that conclusion. The biggest argument was the scene where Yamabe uses physical violence to set Kyoko straight. Any thoughts? (Not trying to get all political, just curious at what some of you guys might think!)
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Major sssspielberg! wrote:So I have a question for everybody. I've heard anti feminist readings of DAM, and I'm not particularly convinced, though I can see how some might come to that conclusion. The biggest argument was the scene where Yamabe uses physical violence to set Kyoko straight. Any thoughts? (Not trying to get all political, just curious at what some of you guys might think!)

Well...it was 1968...in Japan.

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Postby Godzillian » Wed Jan 09, 2019 9:19 pm

Major sssspielberg! wrote:So I have a question for everybody. I've heard anti feminist readings of DAM, and I'm not particularly convinced, though I can see how some might come to that conclusion. The biggest argument was the scene where Yamabe uses physical violence to set Kyoko straight. Any thoughts? (Not trying to get all political, just curious at what some of you guys might think!)

I think its people looking in to it too much and put the idea the same place as the one reporter and prophet from GTTHM were gay lovers. The trash
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Re: Talkback Thread #9: Destroy All Monsters (1968)

Postby Maritonic » Thu Jan 10, 2019 5:41 am

Major sssspielberg! wrote:So I have a question for everybody. I've heard anti feminist readings of DAM, and I'm not particularly convinced, though I can see how some might come to that conclusion. The biggest argument was the scene where Yamabe uses physical violence to set Kyoko straight. Any thoughts? (Not trying to get all political, just curious at what some of you guys might think!)


Context of the time period. Things were different type thing.

Personally, I've never seen any issue with it, and my wife (who is a hardcore feminist) has never had a problem with any of the Godzilla films. So, i think it's people trying to be relevant with today's social climate.

EDIT--Let me clarify: I'm not saying "yay violence against women! That's good" I'm saying my wife and I have never had issue with it because of the context of the time period it was filmed. I think taking an older film and applying it to today's social climate is moot because things were different between sexes, races, etc. That's all I'm saying.

In all seriousness though, while women were the butts of a lot of jokes (especially in Mothra vs. Godzilla), quite a few of the female roles in Godzilla films weren't the traditional tropes like love interests or damsels in distress. They were reporters or scientists. I'd argue they were more ahead of their time than people would realize. This obviously applies to the Showa and Heisei era before we had Akane and whateverhernamewas in Megaguirus.
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Postby Terasawa » Thu Jan 10, 2019 7:19 am

Major sssspielberg! wrote:So I have a question for everybody. I've heard anti feminist readings of DAM, and I'm not particularly convinced, though I can see how some might come to that conclusion. The biggest argument was the scene where Yamabe uses physical violence to set Kyoko straight. Any thoughts? (Not trying to get all political, just curious at what some of you guys might think!)


These have to be the same people that think "Baby, It's Cold Outside" encourages rape.

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Major sssspielberg! wrote:So I have a question for everybody. I've heard anti feminist readings of DAM, and I'm not particularly convinced, though I can see how some might come to that conclusion. The biggest argument was the scene where Yamabe uses physical violence to set Kyoko straight. Any thoughts? (Not trying to get all political, just curious at what some of you guys might think!)

I think it’s necessary to admit that a lot of standards for domestic violence/violence against women during this time period was much more acceptable. That’s a harsh reality. That doesn’t mean it’s right, or that anyone has to think Yamabe is a good character, or right for what he did. However, that doesn’t mean based on that one scene that people shouldn’t watch DAM, or that it’s a bad film because of it. I also don’t think there’s any conceivable way someone will watch that and be like,”NOW I CAN HIT WOMEN, WOOO”.

Are there other instances of things like this happening in the shows series, in cases that don’t involve explicit villains?

Also, DAM to me also had one of the most gruesome moments, when that guy committed suicide. It’s not super graphic, but I remember thinking it’s scary because it felt too real. Don’t a lot of people also get shot in that film?
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Re: Talkback Thread #9: Destroy All Monsters (1968)

Postby Maritonic » Thu Jan 10, 2019 10:12 am

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Major sssspielberg! wrote:So I have a question for everybody. I've heard anti feminist readings of DAM, and I'm not particularly convinced, though I can see how some might come to that conclusion. The biggest argument was the scene where Yamabe uses physical violence to set Kyoko straight. Any thoughts? (Not trying to get all political, just curious at what some of you guys might think!)

I think it’s necessary to admit that a lot of standards for domestic violence/violence against women during this time period was much more acceptable. That’s a harsh reality. That doesn’t mean it’s right, or that anyone has to think Yamabe is a good character, or right for what he did. However, that doesn’t mean based on that one scene that people shouldn’t watch DAM, or that it’s a bad film because of it. I also don’t think there’s any conceivable way someone will watch that and be like,”NOW I CAN HIT WOMEN, WOOO”.

Are there other instances of things like this happening in the shows series, in cases that don’t involve explicit villains?

Also, DAM to me also had one of the most gruesome moments, when that guy committed suicide. It’s not super graphic, but I remember thinking it’s scary because it felt too real. Don’t a lot of people also get shot in that film?


There are a handful of people getting shot in the Showa era. I remember seeing Mothra vs. Godzilla as a kid and that shooting actually weirding me out. Still does for some reason, I really don't know why.

Also agree with everything you said; it's about context within the time it was released. Things change.
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Postby LSD Jellyfish » Thu Jan 10, 2019 10:14 am

I think that also the fact that we are having this conversation, and realizing that it is a thing that the film does wrong, is actually a very positive thing because it shows how much things have changed for the better.

And yeah, quite a lot of people get shot in the shows series, especially in GVMG, where the Simians gush blood. However, I’m rembering a lot of people undermine control getting shot in the first part with the Kilakian takeover of monster island, and then the beach shoot out.
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Re: Talkback Thread #9: Destroy All Monsters (1968)

Postby Terasawa » Thu Jan 10, 2019 11:34 am

DAM is unusually graphic for a Honda film: shootout at the Monsterland control center (in which one person gets shot in the head), Dr. Otani’s defenestration, and especially the surgical incision during Otani’s autopsy. Generally this kind of content was avoided in the Godzillas.

Terror of Mdchagodzilla also has quite a bit of graphic content. It was more common in the ‘70s films but it’s much more excessive in TOMG.

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Re: Talkback Thread #9: Destroy All Monsters (1968)

Postby eabaker » Thu Jan 10, 2019 11:46 am

Well, the increased brutality of DAM relative to other Godzilla flicks of the era can be at least in part attributed to Takeshi Kimura writing the screenplay rather than Shinichi Sekizawa. Kimura's scripts are without fail more cynical and violent than Sekizawa's.

As for the issue of sexism/feminism, just for the sake of discussion, I'd like to point out that, beyond the scene with Kyoko's earrings, that's the further issue that that only female characters in the movie (other than Mothra) are either actively villains or else (in Kyoko's case) controlled by the villains for a substantial portion of the narrative. Taken in the context of the series as a whole, that's an irrelevant blip, but taken only in isolation I can see where it could be read as advancing a sexist/misogynistic perspective.
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Re: Talkback Thread #9: Destroy All Monsters (1968)

Postby Maritonic » Thu Jan 10, 2019 11:48 am

Terasawa wrote:DAM is unusually graphic for a Honda film: shootout at the Monsterland control center (in which one person gets shot in the head), Dr. Otani’s defenestration, and especially the surgical incision during Otani’s autopsy. Generally this kind of content was avoided in the Godzillas.

Terror of Mdchagodzilla also has quite a bit of graphic content. It was more common in the ‘70s films but it’s much more excessive in TOMG.


That graphic content and bleak feeling of Terror of Mechagodzilla is one reason I love it so. There is just some undercurrent of darkness to it that so many of the later Showa films didn't have (not that they should have, necessarily).
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