Talkback Thread #8: Son of Godzilla (1967)

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Re: Talkback Thread #8: Son of Godzilla (1967)

Postby S9y » Sun Mar 09, 2014 1:44 pm

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S9y wrote:How does Kumonga drink blood that fast? Seems impossible but Kumonga looks cooler though


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Re: Talkback Thread #8: Son of Godzilla (1967)

Postby Rodan » Mon Mar 10, 2014 8:39 pm

EdGojra wrote:I haven't seen this movie yet but the Godzilla suit is less attractive than Cell from Dragonball Z and that's saying something.

Watch it. Prioritize it over other Godzilla movies. It's great.

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Re: Talkback Thread #8: Son of Godzilla (1967)

Postby Rody » Tue Mar 11, 2014 8:20 am

Honestly, the Godzilla & Minilla suits are probably the movie's biggest faults; and the Kamacuras & Kumonga props totally make up for that.

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Re: Talkback Thread #8: Son of Godzilla (1967)

Postby ILL GREEN » Tue Mar 11, 2014 12:35 pm

I always loved this movie overall, just hated the suit for Godzilla. I heard Nakajima or his assistant played Minilla and so they hired a tall baseball player to play Godzilla to give a sense of height between father and son and so thats why the suit is discombobulated . They never made a G suit for a 7ft man.

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Re: Talkback Thread #8: Son of Godzilla (1967)

Postby eabaker » Tue Mar 11, 2014 12:43 pm

ILL GREEN wrote:I always loved this movie overall, just hated the suit for Godzilla. I heard Nakajima or his assistant played Minilla and so they hired a tall baseball player to play Godzilla to give a sense of height between father and son and so thats why the suit is discombobulated . They never made a G suit for a 7ft man.


Minilla was played by a little-person wrestler called Little Man Machan. It is true that Nakajima did little of the Godzilla suit work in this movie, because they constructed it for a larger actor than usual, but not that much larger.
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Re: Talkback Thread #8: Son of Godzilla (1967)

Postby godzilla98rules » Fri Mar 14, 2014 7:50 am

When it comes to the 67 suit, I think that the suit looks great during the day time scenes like this:

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Re: Talkback Thread #8: Son of Godzilla (1967)

Postby Kubo » Fri Mar 14, 2014 10:45 am

It looks clumsy and cartoonish to me. It may be one of my least favorite, if not my least favorite suit in the whole series. Though I can certainly see where some appeal exists in its cartoon-like form.
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Re: Talkback Thread #8: Son of Godzilla (1967)

Postby eabaker » Fri Mar 14, 2014 11:18 am

King Caesar wrote:It looks clumsy and cartoonish to me. It may be one of my least favorite, if not my least favorite suit in the whole series. Though I can certainly see where some appeal exists in its cartoon-like form.


It's easily my least favorite Showa suit. It was my least favorite ever, until the second half of the Millennium series came along.
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Re: Talkback Thread #8: Son of Godzilla (1967)

Postby Tohosaurus » Sat Apr 12, 2014 10:43 am

Too bad they couldn't use the 1966 suit, which I honestly think would improve the views some have of the entire film, that and Minilla I suppose. The rest of it is really quite decent. I liken it to Gamera the Brave as films that are both suitable for families and are actually good movies without the "for a kaiju movie" or "for a Godzilla movie" reservations. It's also in line with the allegory and metaphor-lined predecessors like in the original and Mothra in terms of speaking to humanity's interaction with the environment.
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Re: Talkback Thread #8: Son of Godzilla (1967)

Postby Gothicserpent » Sat Apr 12, 2014 1:39 pm

In my opinion, this is one of the best Kaiju films ever made.

It's fast paced and constantly keeps you entertained with it's likable characters, wonderful sets, groovy soundtack, and fun monster action.

Despite his ugly looks, Minya is a surprisingly good kaiju who gets some nice scenes with his dad. Kumonga is creepy and devious, the perfect villain for Sogell Island. And of course Godzilla is great as a grumpy monster trying to be a good father.

This all adds up to a lighthearted joyride that never lets up. An instant classic.
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Re: Talkback Thread #8: Son of Godzilla (1967)

Postby 20th Century Boy » Sat Apr 12, 2014 1:47 pm

My first Godzilla movie. As a youngling, it was my favorite movie of all time. Nowadays, I find myself preferring Godzilla vs. the Sea Monster as the better Jun Fukuda Godzilla island movie, but this one is still tons of fun (and even heartwarming).

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Re: Talkback Thread #8: Son of Godzilla (1967)

Postby LegendZilla » Sat May 17, 2014 12:05 am

Brandon Tenold just reviewed the film.

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Re: Talkback Thread #8: Son of Godzilla (1967)

Postby tymon » Tue May 20, 2014 5:00 am

20th Century Boy wrote:My first Godzilla movie. As a youngling, it was my favorite movie of all time. Nowadays, I find myself preferring Godzilla vs. the Sea Monster as the better Jun Fukuda Godzilla island movie, but this one is still tons of fun (and even heartwarming).

I actually feel that Son of Godzilla is the better film in terms of structure, themes and monster action, but I would still rather watch Ebirah. There's just something wonderful (and nostalgic, it was my first giant monster movie ever at age three) about the sense of adventure and atmosphere in Ebirah, especially in the first half.

And Jun Fukuda was just as good of a director as Honda (if not better) if you ask me.
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Re: Talkback Thread #8: Son of Godzilla (1967)

Postby 20th Century Boy » Tue May 20, 2014 5:43 am

tymon wrote:
20th Century Boy wrote:My first Godzilla movie. As a youngling, it was my favorite movie of all time. Nowadays, I find myself preferring Godzilla vs. the Sea Monster as the better Jun Fukuda Godzilla island movie, but this one is still tons of fun (and even heartwarming).

I actually feel that Son of Godzilla is the better film in terms of structure, themes and monster action, but I would still rather watch Ebirah. There's just something wonderful (and nostalgic, it was my first giant monster movie ever at age three) about the sense of adventure and atmosphere in Ebirah, especially in the first half.

And Jun Fukuda was just as good of a director as Honda (if not better) if you ask me.

Ironically, he didn't like any of his Godzilla/sci-fi films for some reason. But I disagree with him; they were fantastic.

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Re: Talkback Thread #8: Son of Godzilla (1967)

Postby Kaiser » Tue May 20, 2014 1:38 pm

tymon wrote:And Jun Fukuda was just as good of a director as Honda (if not better) if you ask me.


I think Fukuda is sometimes overlooked, but saying he's a better director than Honda seems a bit insulting on Honda behalf. Fukuda never came close to making a movie with as much depth and emotion as the original '54 film and his work hasn't really aged well in some regards (Honda's haven't either, but there is still a timeless quality about his style). Plus, Honda was an assistant director to Akira Kurosawa for several films. Saying you enjoy his films more is one thing, but saying he's a better director...well, I just don't agree.

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Re: Talkback Thread #8: Son of Godzilla (1967)

Postby tymon » Wed May 21, 2014 2:35 am

Fukuda never came close to making a movie with as much depth and emotion as the original '54 film and his work hasn't really aged well in some regards (Honda's haven't either, but there is still a timeless quality about his style).

I never said Fukuda was a better storyteller, or overall filmmaker, than Honda - I'm referring more to the technical aspects of direction (ie the way it was shot and coordinated) rather than the content of the script.

(I wonder why people keep trying to convince me of G54's superiority when I'm already in full agreement of that assessment...)

Saying you enjoy his films more is one thing, but saying he's a better director...well, I just don't agree.

I never said I enjoy his films more (I'll take G54 or MvsG over any Fukuda film), I just feel Fukuda's direction is more consistent than Honda's. For example, Fukuda's work never got as messy as Honda's work on Terror of Mechagodzilla did. That film just is filled with odd, clumsy choices. But all of this is pretty damn subjective.
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Re: Talkback Thread #8: Son of Godzilla (1967)

Postby Kaiser » Wed May 21, 2014 6:14 am

tymon wrote:
Fukuda never came close to making a movie with as much depth and emotion as the original '54 film and his work hasn't really aged well in some regards (Honda's haven't either, but there is still a timeless quality about his style).

I never said Fukuda was a better storyteller, or overall filmmaker, than Honda - I'm referring more to the technical aspects of direction (ie the way it was shot and coordinated) rather than the content of the script.

(I wonder why people keep trying to convince me of G54's superiority when I'm already in full agreement of that assessment...)

Saying you enjoy his films more is one thing, but saying he's a better director...well, I just don't agree.

I never said I enjoy his films more (I'll take G54 or MvsG over any Fukuda film), I just feel Fukuda's direction is more consistent than Honda's. For example, Fukuda's work never got as messy as Honda's work on Terror of Mechagodzilla did. That film just is filled with odd, clumsy choices. But all of this is pretty damn subjective.



Ah, my apologies I thought you were implying that Fukuda was better overall. That being said, Fukuda could get pretty technically lazy too: I can never figure out what's supposed to be going on in that car chase in Godzilla vs. Megalon for example. I will say Fukuda has a style and flair all his own which is the main reason behind his appeal.

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Re: Talkback Thread #8: Son of Godzilla (1967)

Postby tymon » Wed May 21, 2014 12:52 pm

^No that was my bad, I wasnt very clear. And yes, true...I always forget about Megalon for some reason, lol. That chase scene has worse direction and editing than anything in Terror...
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Re: Talkback Thread #8: Son of Godzilla (1967)

Postby he-ba » Thu May 22, 2014 4:27 am

Living Corpse you're spot on! I really loved the battle between Godzilla and the Kamacuri! He just beats the fleeb out of them! The Kumunga battle always made me feel like a kid again- it's perfect for a happy Sunday morning.

I feel bad for Jun Fukada because everybody overlooks his work, even though it is really good!
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Re: Talkback Thread #8: Son of Godzilla (1967)

Postby Godzillian » Sun Jun 01, 2014 10:20 pm

Living Corpse wrote:
he-ba wrote:I feel bad for Jun Fukada because everybody overlooks his work, even though it is really good!


From what I understand he often downplayed his own work. The man was his toughest critic.


Yeah he said in an interview he really did not like working on Godzilla films and that he would rather have done other films. He even said that American studios should have been the ones to make more Godzilla films.
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