Who should have won?

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Vatarian wrote: King Kong vs Godzilla is a shitty film for a number of reasons, and the way they portrayed the fight is one of them.
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You're aware the movie is supposed to be a comedy right?

KKvsG is far from my favorite, but it's not even close to being a shitty film.

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ILL GREEN wrote:
miguelnuva wrote:Godzilla should have jobbed to Kong the way he did and if we ever get a new big monster icon I hope Toho lets Godzilla guess star and they let Godzilla beat the new guy.
Nope. If Gamera can't play a role with Godzilla, then no new kaiju will.
Expect Gamera was created as a direct competitor to Godzilla and not a pass the torch character. Also Godzilla vs Gamera wouldn't have a clear winner without some plot twist where as the new kaiju creators would be going in with Godzilla winning.
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Legion1979 wrote:
Vatarian wrote: King Kong vs Godzilla is a shitty film for a number of reasons, and the way they portrayed the fight is one of them.
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You're aware the movie is supposed to be a comedy right?

KKvsG is far from my favorite, but it's not even close to being a shitty film.
It was supposed to be a comedy?

Really? Wow. Ok. That explains a lot, then. Huh. I thought it was just campy.

That actually changes my outlook on the film then, I suppose.
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Vatarian wrote:
Legion1979 wrote:
Vatarian wrote: King Kong vs Godzilla is a shitty film for a number of reasons, and the way they portrayed the fight is one of them.
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You're aware the movie is supposed to be a comedy right?

KKvsG is far from my favorite, but it's not even close to being a shitty film.
It was supposed to be a comedy?
Well, the Japanese version is. The American version can't seem to decide what it is.

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gojira96 wrote:
Vatarian wrote:
Legion1979 wrote:
You're aware the movie is supposed to be a comedy right?

KKvsG is far from my favorite, but it's not even close to being a shitty film.
It was supposed to be a comedy?
Well, the Japanese version is. The American version can't seem to decide what it is.
...which is why the Japanese Version is superior.
But yeah, I agree with Vatarian on this. You can make Godzilla lose because he's the bad guy, whatever. Don't drag his name through the mud in the process and humiliate him by taking away everything that made him strong and... well, a GOD.
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I love "listening" to these arguments.

Who should have won..... who should have won........
Well, neither won originally, but who SHOULD have...... that's hard.
At the time, Godzilla was seen as evil, and Kong...... not evil, but just misunderstood. So, in that situation, Kong should have won.
Godzilla was much stronger than Kong, even with Kong getting super-sized and charged with electricity. I think Godzilla was basically laughing at Kong the whole fight, and the only reason Kong stood a chance was because Godzilla went easy on him (somebody said that somewhere on here, and I completely agree- I think that was a year or so ago, I'll never find it) So, in that situation, Godzilla should have won.
I love Kong, just cause he's King Kong, but I also love Godzilla, just cause he's Gojira.......
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Gojira tai Mosura wrote:
gojira96 wrote:
Vatarian wrote:
It was supposed to be a comedy?
Well, the Japanese version is. The American version can't seem to decide what it is.
...which is why the Japanese Version is superior.
But yeah, I agree with Vatarian on this. You can make Godzilla lose because he's the bad guy, whatever. Don't drag his name through the mud in the process and humiliate him by taking away everything that made him strong and... well, a GOD.
Godzilla is a big, radioactive reptile. He's not a god.

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I think he was being figurative, Legion.
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they made the right call for a draw. you can't appeal to a broad audience by destroying their monster, nor can you expect people to fall in love with yours if it kills something popular. promote a sense of competition and make them appear equal, show a pair of fights, and let the audience pick a side. smart marketing and a great movie.
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three wrote:they made the right call for a draw. you can't appeal to a broad audience by destroying their monster, nor can you expect people to fall in love with yours if it kills something popular. promote a sense of competition and make them appear equal, show a pair of fights, and let the audience pick a side. smart marketing
While I disagree with this kind of marketing, I see where you're coming from. I mean, what you said does make sense in a way.
I still don't like how they treated Godzilla in this movie. I know it's a comedy, but still...
three wrote:and a great movie.
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KK vs. Godzilla is one of the best the franchise offers, dude. why is it not?
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axnyslie wrote:I read that too quickly I though you said land MINES. Yes they are still out there so step lightly!
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NSZ wrote:
Gojira tai Mosura wrote:But yeah, I agree with Vatarian on this. You can make Godzilla lose because he's the bad guy, whatever. Don't drag his name through the mud in the process and humiliate him by taking away everything that made him strong and... well, a GOD.
What'd they take away? :eh:
His competence, hand-eye coordination, and depth-perception.
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Vatarian wrote:depth-perception.
That was in Son of Godzilla/Hedorah/Gigan though.

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Vatarian wrote:
NSZ wrote:
Gojira tai Mosura wrote:But yeah, I agree with Vatarian on this. You can make Godzilla lose because he's the bad guy, whatever. Don't drag his name through the mud in the process and humiliate him by taking away everything that made him strong and... well, a GOD.
What'd they take away? :eh:
His competence, hand-eye coordination, and depth-perception.
to be fair, he wasn't necessarily competent prior to this film, either. he gets competent after, not before, though.
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axnyslie wrote:I read that too quickly I though you said land MINES. Yes they are still out there so step lightly!
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I think way too many people look at KKvsG from inside their 21st century Godzilla fan bubbles and simply can't understand why it's so popular.

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Legion1979 wrote:I think way too many people look at KKvsG from inside their 21st century Godzilla fan bubbles and simply can't understand why it's so popular.
You're one to talk about fanboyism and seeing things from inside a bubble.
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Vatarian wrote:
Legion1979 wrote:I think way too many people look at KKvsG from inside their 21st century Godzilla fan bubbles and simply can't understand why it's so popular.
You're one to talk about fanboyism and seeing things from inside a bubble.
Aren't you cute. Do go on...

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Everyone that is mad at Kong winning know that early showa Godzilla was much weaker than the late Showa Godzilla correct? This same Godzilla could barely even deal with Angurius and Toho Kong got stronger from what Godzilla was getting weaker from.

Godzilla was also pretty stupid pre GTTHM.
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And in 1962, Kong was the iconic giant monster loved the world over. NOT Godzilla.

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